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***Calciumee*** · 06-21-2009, 02:44 PM

I think Lonnie could be biggest short term lose.

Where as, Pioli has the potential of being the biggest long term.

Losing Harrison and Vrabel could be a huge loss in the locker room!

Feep50 · 06-21-2009, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Pat the Pats Fan

My first thought was Cassel, too, but changed it to a non player, Pioli.

Belechick has replaced players and coaches and continued to win. Let's see about front office personnel.

I agree with this post. Players come and go. That's the nature of a 53 player squad. Pioli may turn out to be a crucial loss........ I hope not though.

***HEY BRO! WHAT UP?*** · 06-21-2009, 05:35 PM

Player loss - Vrabel, only because the Pats didn't do anything to upgrade their situation

Front Office - Scott Pioli. First it was Demitroff, now it Pioli. The Pats front office is getting cleaned out.

PatsBoy12 · 06-21-2009, 06:48 PM

To all those who feel it was Pioli, how would you all grade BB's first draft without him? Also, how much influence do you all think Pioli had on the FA acquisitions - Galloway, Taylor, Bodden, Springs, et al.?

farn · 06-21-2009, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Calciumee

I think Lonnie could be biggest short term lose.

Where as, Pioli has the potential of being the biggest long term.

Losing Harrison and Vrabel could be a huge loss in the locker room!

I agree with your Pioli analysis... can't say I follow on the Lonnie lovin'. Sure, we all love Lonnie. But does anyone think we're going to fall apart with the new long-snappers ? Or that we should have spent the cash to outbid Denver ?

I think the Pats have survived bigger losses than a long-snapper.

Feep50 · 06-21-2009, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by PatsBoy12

To all those who feel it was Pioli, how would you all grade BB's first draft without him? Also, how much influence do you all think Pioli had on he FA acquisitions - Galloway, Taylor, Bodden, Springs, et al.?

Point well taken PB12! I think it was an excellent draft. Time will tell how good it was. I have no doubt in BB as an outstanding football talent evaluator. It's more of how much he takes upon himself, I think our track record with Pioli on board was pretty darn good and losing him weakens the team in general.

There's no other coach I want besides BB..... Past or present!

PatsBoy12 · 06-21-2009, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Feep50

Point well taken PB12! I think it was an excellent draft. Time will tell how good it was. I have no doubt in BB as an outstanding football talent evaluator. It's more of how much he takes upon himself, I think our track record with Pioli on board was pretty darn good and losing him weakens the team in general.

There's no other coach I want besides BB..... Past or present!

Man, you said it. I remember once as a kid I questioned my father about why so many head coaches get heat when teams lose. I remember telling him that a coach can't do much without talent, and you can't blame them for all the losses if they don't have the players. Let's just say I've totally reevaluated since watching BB's mastery over the last decade.

(Well, I also watched guys like Phil Jackson and Greg Popovich

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***ALP*** · 06-21-2009, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by farn

I agree with your Pioli analysis... can't say I follow on the Lonnie lovin'. Sure, we all love Lonnie. But does anyone think we're going to fall apart with the new long-snappers ? Or that we should have spent the cash to outbid Denver ?

I think the Pats have survived bigger losses than a long-snapper.

umm, yea we have, kinda like kicker?

do i need to remind u of the a specific game where 99% of the time he would have kicked...and instead went for it on a 4th down?

PatsFanSince74 · 06-21-2009, 09:16 PM

Pioli in the office, Paxton on the field. Overall to Pioli.

NumenorBlader · 06-21-2009, 09:32 PM

Toss up between Mikey V and Pioli. Gave the nod to Vrabel. As I said in the other thread, I've been watching replays of last season's games and noticed that although Vrabel punch through as much, he was as consistent as they come, and extremely intelligent on the field. Moreover - he was another defensive leader. Harrison was already getting phased out, and in terms of longetivity with the Pats there's only Bruschi left. Vrabel will be missed, and because we haven't filled his role (unlike SS, WR, QB haha etc.), he will be missed the most.

As for Pioli, he's a close second and would probably have been 1st had BB not shown us that he's still the man on draft day. Well - we'll see that for sure at TC, whether the rookies are good enough... but for the moment, BB seems to have done rather well without Pioli - stack of eager rookies and a stack of picks for next year... not bad.

Blader.