NFL.com ranks Top 10 offenses in NFL history -- 2007 Pats are not #1 - Page 4 - New England Patriots Forums

***Patjew*** · 06-14-2009, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Deus Irae

Malone probably gets his ring if the officials don't let Jordan get away with what was probably the most blatant offensive foul in NBA history.

Or he might have gotten it if he didn't throw the ball to Jordan on the previous play.

***Patjew*** · 06-14-2009, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by PatsFanInVa

Which one of you has the ESPN name "Pyper"? 2nd comment on this item posted:

Grade = Aleph! Godol Aleph!

PFnV

Nice....................

***maverick4*** · 06-14-2009, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Patjew

Actually, to be even more logical and objective, we could take defense out of the equation and rank offenses based upon points scored per minute they possessed the ball, and base it only on regular season games.

One would also need to consider the quality of defenses faced in that season's schedule, and also consider performance relative to other offenses during that period.

Taking just total points or yards to figure out who was the best, is way too simplistic. Going back to the QB example, Marino and Favre may have the most stats, but you won't find too many experts saying they were top 3 all time QB's.

***maverick4*** · 06-14-2009, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Patjew

Well, you might have a point with Malone.

Malone is a good example for my argument, not yours. Malone may be #2 all time in points scored, but I'm not sure he'd make most people's lists of top 3 power forwards of all time.

***maverick4*** · 06-14-2009, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by eagle eye

Anybody who rates the Patriots 07 offense below no.1 has an ulterior motive.

Not true. I'd understand your position/perspective if before 2007 you also truly thought Peyton Manning was a better QB than Tom Brady, because you put lots of emphasis on stats. However, stats aren't everything, and there were plenty of fans on this site would argued pre-2007 a solid case for why Brady was a better QB than Manning. Same thing applies to a list for all time offenses.

***HEY BRO! WHAT UP?*** · 06-14-2009, 11:13 PM

What's up with the wrong stats? Someone in the stats department is going to get reamed. Statistically, the Pats are the best offense in history. If you want to rank #1 "super bowl winning" offenses, than the Rams being #1 is legit.

***Patjew*** · 06-14-2009, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by maverick4

Malone is a good example for my argument, not yours. Malone may be #2 all time in points scored, but I'm not sure he'd make most people's lists of top 3 power forwards of all time.

I don't know what your argument is but you're not mentioning mine at all. There's alot more than just "points scored" that goes into the determination of "top 3 power forwards of all time", including several subjective consideration. Not many people say that Reggie Theus is an all-time great player either, but he could certainly score. Who cares?

An NFL team's offense's job is to score points. The more effective they are, the more they score.

eagle eye · 06-14-2009, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by maverick4

Not true. I'd understand your position/perspective if before 2007 you also truly thought Peyton Manning was a better QB than Tom Brady, because you put lots of emphasis on stats. However, stats aren't everything, and there were plenty of fans on this site would argued pre-2007 a solid case for why Brady was a better QB than Manning. Same thing applies to a list for all time offenses.

Why did you quote me and make this reply.

Nothing you have said here is relevant.

***maverick4*** · 06-14-2009, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Patjew

An NFL team's offense's job is to score points. The more effective they are, the more they score.

It's the same argument for players. It's the player's job to score and defend in basketball, or to execute and accumulate offensive or defensive stats in football.

Just because we're talking about offensive units instead of individual players, doesn't change the issue for some that stats shouldn't be the main or only determinant of who was the best all time.

Karl Malone was the highest scoring power forward of all time, great defensively and had many 1st all NBA selections, it doesn't mean he's the best power forward of all time. The 07 Pats offense put up monster stats but nobody is going to remember them decades from now, they're going to be forgotten like the Moss Vikings offense and the 01 Rams offense.

glm · 06-14-2009, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by maverick4

It's the same argument for players. It's the player's job to score and defend in basketball, or to execute and accumulate offensive or defensive stats in football.

Just because we're talking about offensive units instead of individual players, doesn't change the issue for some that stats shouldn't be the main or only determinant of who was the best all time.

Karl Malone was the highest scoring power forward of all time, great defensively and had many 1st all NBA selections, it doesn't mean he's the best power forward of all time. The 07 Pats offense put up monster stats but nobody is going to remember them decades from now, they're going to be forgotten like the Moss Vikings offense and the 01 Rams offense.

I think people will remember 16 - 0 better than 15 - 1 and 14 - 2.