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Ok, so I was thinking about the RB committee, which is pretty dang impressive on paper. Does anyone agree that the RB and TE groups could be larger this year at the expense of in-name-only DL/OL/LB's? Will the new ST rules mean speed and one-on-one blocking will have more value than space-eating?
In my opinion, the answer is yes. Not to say there isn't need of big guys for ST's, but I think things will be different and I bet the Pats will be ahead of the curve on this one, along with maybe Buffalo who always have good ST's.
"He and [linebacker] Gary Guyton, obviously they should have been drafted," said Belichick. "We were hoping to get both of them, but if we really wanted him, we could have drafted him . . . but that is the scramble. [Green-Ellis] had two good years at Mississippi. We give our scouts and organization credit for having a group of guys there, and fortunately those two have come through for us."
With rushing touchdowns in four consecutive games, Green-Ellis is more than halfway to the franchise record of seven, set by Curtis Martin in 1996.
Ok, roster time: (props to MGTeich for the layout)
ST/S (1) Slater
ST/LB (1) Banta-Cain
ST/DB (1) Williams
SPECIALISTS (3)
K (1) Gostkowski
P (1) Hanson
LS (1) Ingram
STARTING THE SEASON ON THE PUP LIST (1)
WR (1) Tate
STARTING THE SEASON ON IR (1)
LB (1) McKenzie
I paired the the DL needs to 5. I know some of you won't feel comfortable with that, but Consider that in a 4-3 set, we can technically run an LB (ie: Bru) on the line. Also, we will likely be in a lot of 2-DL formations (like against NO and other high-pass ratio teams).
Wright can fill in at Nose and I don't know if Brace is going to be ready.
I think Smith is on the bubble and Green could find himself as a starter or on another team by September. Tough to tell how his $$$ gets translated into value at this point.
Also, some of the guys I assigned as ST can possibly start at their positions, it was just a way to put very good depth at those spots on the 53.
Ok, lemme slip into something manure proof and let you have at it.
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u see DeVree making it over thomas, its very ineresting, wonderin what made u decide that...
u see us as keeping 5 Safeties, also something to note....i would maybe change that to 4 S, so that we can keep 6 DL, considering our contract situations with the DL after this season
u have slater in there, but not edelman, who has more flexibility....
i dont believe hochstien will make the team....his abilities seem to have diminishe the last two years, and i think BB will try to replace him with a younger guy (maybe the restler? i forgot his name)
and finally, u think they only brought in pass for camp fodder?
and now the final thing for real.....Sam Aiken, who seems to be the ST leader is not included in your roster....
overall, i think ur roster has some problems....
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As predicted, my one significant issue is with a 5-man DL. It's definitely possible with the changes in ST rules, but I'd still be very surprised to see it. Other than that, I don't see BJGE making the team, but there's certainly plenty of reason to believe that he could.
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u see DeVree making it over thomas, its very ineresting, wonderin what made u decide that...
I think DeVree is making plays in OTA's.
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u see us as keeping 5 Safeties, also something to note....i would maybe change that to 4 S, so that we can keep 6 DL, considering our contract situations with the DL after this season
I think Vince is about to get resolved, and I think he knows it. I know what you're saying, but I think excess safeties this year is more important.
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u have slater in there, but not edelman, who has more flexibility....
Slater is in year two and is now focusing on safety (where he has already had reps). Edelman is in year one and learning a completely new position.
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i dont believe hochstien will make the team....his abilities seem to have diminishe the last two years, and i think BB will try to replace him with a younger guy (maybe the restler? i forgot his name)
You might be right about Hochstein, but for now he's my most likely candidate for that last space.
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and finally, u think they only brought in pass for camp fodder?
They brought in Pass as a favour to Pass, imo. If he supplants someone, that's cool, but I wouldn't count on it.
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and now the final thing for real.....Sam Aiken, who seems to be the ST leader is not included in your roster....
Again, you might be right. I only have four WR's total, so I should add one more. But I think he gets beat by someone else.
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overall, i think ur roster has some problems....
Yeah, well your MOM has problems.
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Hard to believe 5 TE's make the roster and 5 RB's make the roster. I doubt Green-Ellis is eligible for the practice squad. But if he is, that is where he will likely end up. Finally, I see DeVree sticking to practice squad and Thomas will be on a short leash. In fact, they just traded for Alex Smith, who is young and can do the same things Thomas can do. At the most, the Pats keep 4 TE's and 3 at the least. Smith is a lock because they just traded for him, Baker should be a lock if he's good at blocking and Watson should be a lock because of his ability. In the end, Thomas and DeVree are the on the outside looking in.
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Hard to believe 5 TE's make the roster and 5 RB's make the roster. I doubt Green-Ellis is eligible for the practice squad. But if he is, that is where he will likely end up. Finally, I see DeVree sticking to practice squad and Thomas will be on a short leash. In fact, they just traded for Alex Smith, who is young and can do the same things Thomas can do. At the most, the Pats keep 4 TE's and 3 at the least. Smith is a lock because they just traded for him, Baker should be a lock if he's good at blocking and Watson should be a lock because of his ability. In the end, Thomas and DeVree are the on the outside looking in.
I think I read on Mike Reiss saying that Green-Ellis has played too much to be practice squad eligible but i'm not sure. I think he makes the team and Slater doesn't.
Hard to believe 5 TE's make the roster and 5 RB's make the roster. I doubt Green-Ellis is eligible for the practice squad. But if he is, that is where he will likely end up. Finally, I see DeVree sticking to practice squad and Thomas will be on a short leash. In fact, they just traded for Alex Smith, who is young and can do the same things Thomas can do. At the most, the Pats keep 4 TE's and 3 at the least. Smith is a lock because they just traded for him, Baker should be a lock if he's good at blocking and Watson should be a lock because of his ability. In the end, Thomas and DeVree are the on the outside looking in.
we were looking at the cap numbers yesterday, and if smith were to be cut, we would save about 1 mil, and have little to pay him
i think just cuz we traded for him doesnt mean that well actually keep him
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Hard to believe 5 TE's make the roster and 5 RB's make the roster.
Well, here's four...
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Working with the new wedge rules. The Patriots devoted practice time to their kickoff return unit. Some have asked the question how the NFL’s new wedge rules might affect special teams coaches – teams can no longer run wedges of three players or more -- and I took a closer look at that area in today’s session. I think the rule change will possibly lead teams to using some different personnel on the wedge – less linemen and more linebackers/tight ends. In no particular grouping, the Patriots had tight ends Benjamin Watson, Chris Baker, David Thomas and Alex Smith; defensive linemen Mike Wright and Le Kevin Smith; offensive linemen Stephen Neal, Russ Hochstein and Rich Orhnberger; and outside linebacker Vince Redd working in the wedge.
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and finally, u think they only brought in pass for camp fodder?
Not even, apparently.
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As you might expect, I am uncomfortable having a roster of 5 DL's so that we can give DeVree a roster spot. Since we have roles for 5 DL's and five are usually active, I think it is most unlikely that we keep fewer than 6.
Brace has a roster spot. Belichick has never cut a 2nd round pick. He isn't
starting now. If Brace isn't ready, which is certainly possible, then we will need to keep seven DL's, with Brace as a developmental player. It is not ununusal to have a developmental player or two.
If you want Green-Ellis because of his special team value, then give him a ST spot. Personally, I wouldn't. .
At this point I prefer Aiken and Johnson to Slater and Hochstein, but I have no strong views either way.
BOTTOM LINE
Cutting Green and Smith to keep DeVree and Green-Ellis doesn't work for me.
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Ok, so I was thinking about the RB committee, which is pretty dang impressive on paper. Does anyone agree that the RB and TE groups could be larger this year at the expense of in-name-only DL/OL/LB's? Will the new ST rules mean speed and one-on-one blocking will have more value than space-eating?
In my opinion, the answer is yes. Not to say there isn't need of big guys for ST's, but I think things will be different and I bet the Pats will be ahead of the curve on this one, along with maybe Buffalo who always have good ST's.
SPECIALISTS (3)
K (1) Gostkowski
P (1) Hanson
LS (1) Ingram
STARTING THE SEASON ON THE PUP LIST (1)
WR (1) Tate
STARTING THE SEASON ON IR (1)
LB (1) McKenzie
I paired the the DL needs to 5. I know some of you won't feel comfortable with that, but Consider that in a 4-3 set, we can technically run an LB (ie: Bru) on the line. Also, we will likely be in a lot of 2-DL formations (like against NO and other high-pass ratio teams).
Wright can fill in at Nose and I don't know if Brace is going to be ready.
I think Smith is on the bubble and Green could find himself as a starter or on another team by September. Tough to tell how his $$$ gets translated into value at this point.
Also, some of the guys I assigned as ST can possibly start at their positions, it was just a way to put very good depth at those spots on the 53.
Ok, lemme slip into something manure proof and let you have at it.
Sifting through the RB's
Linear Mode
