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Old 04-11-2009, 08:14 PM   #1
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Seems to me that seeing how Peppers and Sproles are STILL unsigned, this gives more creedance than ever before that Belichick was wise to move quickly on unloading Cassel & Vrabel with the Chiefs for a 2nd rounder, even though waiting for Cassel to come to a long term agreement with another team might well have resulted in a 1st round pick.

Sure, we've all seen that a pro-bowl QB already signed to a 3 year contract for low money is worth a 1st and 3rd round pick in trade. That type of player signed to that type of deal is understandably worth more than a QB with 1 year as a starter, who fairly or unfairly might still have questions since he had the benefit of playing with Welker and Moss. Add to that the fact he was signed only to a 1 year contract at nearly $15 million and one might begin to think we were LUCKY to get a 2nd for Cassel in comparison.

Of course, the fact that Cassel signed the tender meant that the Pats could force a trade as long as the receiving team were willing to accept that one year $15 million deal.

But given that fact, ultimately the number of teams in the NFL that:

1. Had a need at QB
2. Had a strong interest in Cassel and
3. Had the cap space to accept Cassel at 1 year $15 million (and Vrabel for a total of $19 million) without otherwise impacting their ability to be active in free agency too ...

...probably wasn't the longest list to start.

And while Cassel could have been traded to another team, IF both he and the team were willing to negotiate a long-term contract that was of enough guaranteed value to make it worth it to Cassel (compared to the $15 million this year and more than that next year either as a free agent or 2nd year franchise player) - that's a pretty big "IF" which could likely have taken awhile to get ironed out. (And let's not forget the "IF" of reaching an agreement not just with Cassel but also with Belichick on compensation.)

Indeed, Peppers and Sproles are able to have the same negotiations with teams as it now stands and seemingly haven't been able to get that done.

And what about Vrabel you ask? Why was he part of this deal?

Well in hindsight it's clear Belichick wasn't going to bring Vrabel back at $4.3 million this season. He's good - and a contributor - but clearly didn't meet that salary value for the Patriots.

So that means Belichick could cut him, or trade him (or attempt to renegotiate - which if that failed, we'd be back to possibly having to cut him).

So why not cut him? You might as well as, "Why not send him to the Jets, Dolphins, Bills - or another AFC title contender?"

Including Vrabel in the trade ensured that Vrabel wouldn't go to a rival, and may have done Vrabel the favor of sending him to the one team that could afford his full $4.3 million - likely more than he'd get as a free agent.

So, not to belabor the point, rather than risking a drawn out salary negotiation between Cassel and other teams that, if it dragged on half as long as Peppers and Sproles situation, would have devastated the Patriots free agency plans, Belichick opted to trade Cassel and Vrabel to the one team that could take thgem both immediately, without any need for drawn out salary negotiations which could well have bogged down or ultimately prevented a trade that would have held the Patriots hostage.

Had that happened we'd be openly and rightly critical of Belichick's serious gamble to move up a dozen or so draft spots from a sure fire quick trade for #34.

Seems to make sense to me... though apparently not to everyone else.
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Old 04-11-2009, 10:45 PM   #2
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Makes sense to me as well. Although I expected more from the trade, I think it worked out very well. BB did the best he could with the cards he had.
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Yeah I don't understand all the doubters and whiners regarding this trade, we basically got a 1st rounder anyway at #34
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Yeah I don't understand all the doubters and whiners regarding this trade, we basically got a 1st rounder anyway at #34
Also, he was a 7th round draft pick! We got a steal!
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Also, he was a 7th round draft pick! We got a steal!
True, but you can't look at it just from this point of view. He was a 7th rd pick that the Patriots invested 4 years into AND was a winning starter the last year.....That changes the equation significantly. I'm not arguing it wasn't a good deal for us, but you couldn't look at Cassel as simply a 7th round pick for the #34th this year, at the point we made the trade...

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I agree. Call me a homer, but I just don't see how many people can sit there and scrutinize and 2nd guess BB after all he's proven. When it comes to assessing players, building a football team from top to bottom and simply winning there's not many, if any in his league. granted the guys made some and will undoubtedly make some more mistakes, but I'll trust he knows what he's doing. Hopefully, he can turn that 2nd round pick into solid starter for the defense either at LB or in the secondary it really doesn't matter.
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And you know that old saying is still true: A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

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Yeah I don't understand all the doubters and whiners regarding this trade, we basically got a 1st rounder anyway at #34
Obviously there's some who think they're smarter than Belichick, seeing how several weeks after Cassel was traded the Broncos still got a 1st and 3rd round pick for him.

They can't or won't admit that comparing Cassel and Cutler were apples and oranges for a whole list of reasons.

They seem to think that if THEY were the GM, they'd at least taken Pioli's offer of #34 and spent the next several days playing one team off another to move a dozen or more points higher in the draft.

I can't help but wonder how they'd guarantee that Pioli - who may have been the one and only team willing to take Cassel's on for his current 1 year $15 million salary cap contract as well as Vrabel's $4.3 million - wouldn't have pulled his offer had Belichick tried to finangle more from him.

Where would that have left the Patriots? Likely waiting a week or two or even more for Cassel to complete negotiations on a long term contract with another team while our targeted free agents went elsewhere... and possibly seeing Vrabel cut to make cap space and landing with the Jets, Fins or Browns.

... all becaue they felt we should get a draft pick at 24 or 14 instead of 34.
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Yeah I don't understand all the doubters and whiners regarding this trade, we basically got a 1st rounder anyway at #34
Well some use the Jay Cutler trade to use that as proof we were had in our deal, as if that had any relevance. It's too bad we have gullible ole BB running this team and not some of the master bargainers on this forum, we could really be somethin special.
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Well some use the Jay Cutler trade to use that as proof we were had in our deal, as if that had any relevance. It's too bad we have gullible ole BB running this team and not some of the master bargainers on this forum, we could really be somethin special.
BB has pointed out that he might have gotten more if he'd waited. People arguing in defense of BB are doing precisely what they are accusing those on the other side of doing.
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