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DeSi_PatzGal · 03-20-2009, 10:17 AM

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Nestapats · 03-20-2009, 10:18 AM

Its very simple now. If this story is true and he wants anything close to Haynesworth money, than i'm just not buying Carucci's story. BB isn't going to pay him anywhere near 100$, so we can forget about this trade. I;m still hoping the Maualuga rumor is true

signbabybrady · 03-20-2009, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Nestapats

Its very simple now. If this story is true and he wants anything close to Haynesworth money, than i'm just not buying Carucci's story. BB isn't going to pay him anywhere near 100$, so we can forget about this trade. I;m still hoping the Maualuga rumor is true

I think it is crazy to think Peppers is sitting there saying I want to play OLB and get off the panthers but I still want to be paid like a DL. IMO and maybe I am wrong one would think Peppers would have known or been told by his agent that OLBs dont get paid like DEs and excepted it already.

One other point to as far as the other players on our team would react to us shelling out money to Peppers is that if Peppers agrees to play for a little less than full market value than that sends a message to the FAs just the same as overpaying for him would piss them off.

***Rob0729*** · 03-20-2009, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Pats726

I would say u need to take a look at past years and what happened with Carolina..and how much money he's left oin the table..ever...I could care less about his statements now..his past speaks loudly. ,,and to me it's a past that is filled with wanting top dollar and more. Every year the Panthers have had problems...it seems. I would be really suspect if he came here..not only because of what he would do..but what problems he might start in others also wanting the big bucks.

I heard on the radio the other day from a Carolina reporter that Peppers typically isn't as big of a money guy as people thinks and turns down a lot of local and national endorsement deals. Maybe he is misunderstood.

Synovia · 03-20-2009, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by borg

Only one team has earned a SB ring this decade with an over the top contract, Indy, and only because of 4 dozen rule changes (sour grapes).

Do you really believe that?

***MoLewisrocks*** · 03-20-2009, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Rob0729

He may want to get paid, but he has never said anything about getting paid top dollar. He may want to get as much or more than Haynesworth, but I have seen very little from this article to prove that than two unnamed sources. Unnamed sources are a crapshoot with their accuracy (just ask John Tomase on that one).

Oh, I don't know...it was never more than unnamed sources close to the player (AND LOGIC) that said the same things about Asante and Deion. But they were right.

Peppers agent has already started shifting the goalposts in the Peppers game. He said yesterday he has spoken to "several teams" not one of which is NE about how they would use his client and more importantly what it would take to compensate him adequately. He also made sure to mention that much as he purportedly dislikes playing 4-3 DE in Carolina, he would be absatively fine returning to play for them this season as the highest paid player in the league.

You know, tagged players who aren't QB's don't get to be that except via the 120% rule which means his last contract wasn't remotely team friendly...and even coming off a piss poor 2007 season he refused to sign a lucrative extension because it likely reflected the questions everyone was raising about his disappointing 2007 performance. Yet he apparently only decided he wanted to move on to another system after he was held sackless in Carolina's upset playoff loss to Arizona... Being a Patriot is all about accountability, so I'm not sure a moody player who is quick to blame the system for shortcomings is a good fit for a BB team at any price...any more than I buy the notion that a player who turned down a lucrative long term extension while he was making $13M+ off a cap killing contract year intended to be fluff at the end of his rookie deal doesn't care about the money...

Honestly, some of you need not only a functional BB speak decoder, you need to get the tint removed from your read between the lines glasses.

Brady has always taken less here. The caveat has always remained no one else gets more. Including Seymour and Moss and AD and lots of guys asked to do something that may not pad their stats or maximize their bank accounts. And while we may be looking at an uncapped future, Kraft and BB are committed to their system, the underpinning of which is maintaining compensation slots within the roster and not overloading the higher slots at the expense of the remainder...or stroking delicate egos. As Pioli used to remind us all periodically they are not in the business of acquiring/assembling the most talent in NE, they are in the business of building a deep team that can win consistently because leaders here make sacrifices to be here.

And while we don't always win it all as some here seem to think we must, we've won more than anyone consistently over the last 8 seasons. If it ain't broke, you don't need to fix it, just tweek it. Bill is tweeking a team that went 11-5 last year with Matt Cassel at the helm and Jr. Seau and Rosie Colvin off their couches. First tweek is upgrading at QB...second is upgrading the secondary and getting faster across the board on defense. He's made substantial inroads to that end in FA and has 4 day 1 draft picks in hand and a couple of potential impact players returning from IR with which to continue those efforts.

If Peppers were not available you'd all be a bunch of happy campers today. But like kids at christmas you're not going to be happy now unless you get the new brand name it toy. Even if it means you have to get rid of a couple of unsung toys that have already made you the envy of all the other little brats on the block...

NE39 · 03-20-2009, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Nestapats

Its very simple now. If this story is true and he wants anything close to Haynesworth money, than i'm just not buying Carucci's story. BB isn't going to pay him anywhere near 100$, so we can forget about this trade. I;m still hoping the Maualuga rumor is true

Haynesworth contract boils down to 4 Yrs/$48M. Given the cap, that is do-able for the right player. However, it is the amount of guaranteed money that makes the contract insane. It is basically guaranteed for 4 years. That is a baseball contract.

Pats726 · 03-20-2009, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Rob0729

I heard on the radio the other day from a Carolina reporter that Peppers typically isn't as big of a money guy as people thinks and turns down a lot of local and national endorsement deals. Maybe he is misunderstood.

I heard teh same thing..and it sounded interesting...but why is it that teh Panthers have had trouvle with contracts?? Ig indeed HE is that way NOT a "money type" player that wants it all...then why so much trouble every year? Whether he turns down deals or not..if he's demanding ALL th emoney on teh table..that is what counts..not these side deals..I guess Ty was misunderstood as well...you know having to feed his family???

***Leave No Doubt*** · 03-20-2009, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by MoLewisrocks

Oh, I don't know...it was never more than unnamed sources close to the player (AND LOGIC) that said the same things about Asante and Deion. But they were right.

Peppers agent has already started shifting the goalposts in the Peppers game. He said yesterday he has spoken to "several teams" not one of which is NE about how they would use his client and more importantly what it would take to compensate him adequately. He also made sure to mention that much as he purportedly dislikes playing 4-3 DE in Carolina, he would be absatively fine returning to play for them this season as the highest paid player in the league.

You know, tagged players who aren't QB's don't get to be that except via the 120% rule which means his last contract wasn't remotely team friendly...and even coming off a piss poor 2007 season he refused to sign a lucrative extension because it likely reflected the questions everyone was raising about his disappointing 2007 performance. Yet he apparently only decided he wanted to move on to another system after he was held sackless in Carolina's upset playoff loss to Arizona... Being a Patriot is all about accountability, so I'm not sure a moody player who is quick to blame the system for shortcomings is a good fit for a BB team at any price...any more than I buy the notion that a player who turned down a lucrative long term extension while he was making $13M+ off a cap killing contract year intended to be fluff at the end of his rookie deal doesn't care about the money...

Honestly, some of you need not only a functional BB speak decoder, you need to get the tint removed from your read between the lines glasses.

Brady has always taken less here. The caveat has always remained no one else gets more. Including Seymour and Moss and AD and lots of guys asked to do something that may not pad their stats or maximize their bank accounts. And while we may be looking at an uncapped future, Kraft and BB are committed to their system, the underpinning of which is maintaining compensation slots within the roster and not overloading the higher slots at the expense of the remainder...or stroking delicate egos. As Pioli used to remind us all periodically they are not in the business of acquiring/assembling the most talent in NE, they are in the business of building a deep team that can win consistently because leaders here make sacrifices to be here.

And while we don't always win it all as some here seem to think we must, we've won more than anyone consistently over the last 8 seasons. If it ain't broke, you don't need to fix it, just tweek it. Bill is tweeking a team that went 11-5 last year with Matt Cassel at the helm and Jr. Seau and Rosie Colvin off their couches. First tweek is upgrading at QB...second is upgrading the secondary and getting faster across the board on defense. He's made substantial inroads to that end in FA and has 4 day 1 draft picks in hand and a couple of potential impact players returning from IR with which to continue those efforts.

If Peppers were not available you'd all be a bunch of happy campers today. But like kids at christmas you're not going to be happy now unless you get the new brand name it toy. Even if it means you have to get rid of a couple of unsung toys that have already made you the envy of all the other little brats on the block...

Awesome. LOL great post overall, I truly enjoyed that read, thank you.

Pats726 · 03-20-2009, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by MoLewisrocks

If Peppers were not available you'd all be a bunch of happy campers today. But like kids at christmas you're not going to be happy now unless you get the new brand name it toy. Even if it means you have to get rid of a couple of unsung toys that have already made you the envy of all the other little brats on the block...

GREAT post...and I think right on the money...and when one hets that toy and finds out that the batteries are quite expensive and..sometimes not available.