NEGoldenAge

I don't know a lot about contracts, but I thought that if a player signed the tender before a certain date, the team could ink a long term deal with him. Once done, they could trade him and all that franchise stuff is out the window. Isn't this how it is often done?

Joker

Right on, nick. you are on your way to becoming an NFL personnel man with this line of thinking.

--mike

Uh...if this is all Reiss wrote you back, it reads to ME as if he's giving you a pat on the back but there's NOTHING there by him other than his gratuitous pat on the back. Seems to me it's VERY VERY important that this deal NOT be done as far as YOU are concerned. Why is that?

NePatriots

Perhaps Miguel can again instruct us in the ways of the force here, but IIRC the PLAYER has to sign the tender to be traded, and that the receiving TEAM has to have the cap space to initially take that $17 mil tender before they rip it up and sign the long-term deal.

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I can't believe that.
why can't they sign him to a longer term deal and then trade him?

the only question i'd have would be the details on that.
for example, a staple of a lot of these deals would normally be a signing bonus, so do you just pay him salary in '09, and how high does that have to be to make it worth his while?

pats1

The NFL isn't going to "become" uncapped. The "final uncapped year" is a specific term in the CBA, and it always has been. There is only one uncapped year. After that, there is no CBA, and thus there's no season. Lockout. That's not an uncapped year, that's a zero-cap year.

mgteich

Yes, of course. The tender is signed. The contract is renegotiated and the trade is made. The new team needs to have the cap room for the new contract. HOWEVER, please understand that any bonus is paid by the original team.

Option 2 is for a team to give Carolina a pick to remove the franchise tag, making the player a free agent. Since the team (as any team can) has already negotiated a deal with Peppers, the deal can now be executed.

Grizzafted

The problem with the premise of this argument is, Peppers hasn't signed the franchise tender yet. So technically, any dealings that may happen aren't necessarily going to be within the framework of a franchise trade. This is probably why he's refused to sign, and it would explain the Panthers' statement today. I have no idea what the wiggle room here is legally, according to the CBA, but technically the Panthers could just withdraw the offer, which hasn't been signed yet, and the Patriots ship them the 34th pick. Peppers at that point already has a deal on the table with the Pats, conditional on the franchise tag having been lifted, and he's a free agent suddenly with a deal on the table from the Pats. I can see a few areas of exposure here for the Pats, but it's the most feasible possibility provided we want to go with "where there's smoke there's fire" as regards to the original article.

In this scenario, there would have to have been some communication perhaps between the Pats and Carolina regarding the swap of no.34 for the un-franchising of Peppers.

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drakesta101

This is the tricky part...I am 90% certain the new contract has to be equal to or exceed the value of the franchise tender in the year the franchise tender would have been in affect...

Palm Beach Pats Fan

My underdstanding is that even if the tender is signed, the Panthers can sign him to a long term deal and then trade him, at least until a certain date (July something?). After that date the player cannot sign a long-term deal and any trade would have to absorb the franchise tag salary amount, and moreover the team getting him can't even sign him to a long-term deal.

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drakesta101

This could happen...its never happened before...but I'm sure it would have to be in writing somewhere that the Pats can negotiate with him exclusively.