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Ian's Daily Blog - There are many wondering (myself included) if the Patriots did indeed get maximum value for this weekend’s trade involving quarterback Matt Cassel and linebacker Mike Vrabel, who were both shipped off to Kansas City for the Chiefs 2nd-round pick in the upcoming NFL Draft.Unfortunately after having time to digest the circumstances around this deal, I [...]

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patsinthesnow

No they didn't, a 2nd round pick for 2 good players is BS peoples. BS I SAID


^^scott pioli

KDPPatsfan85

We need to drink to forget about it!!

mcsully

Interesting thought but I'm going drive home a different idea and going to disagree with this specific part

"we’ve seen before how Belichick values players (and has previously traded down in the early first round when he felt that the right guy wasn’t there), and he simply may not have seen a player that high that he felt would have given him the value for the money that they were looking for."

BB moves up in the first round. He might trade out for additional years but most times BB moves up in the draft when he targets a player. Graham, Warren, Wilson, Jackson, Light... These players were targeted in the 1st and 2nd round. Players we wanted.. You can't say BB didn't value a player that high because we don't know how the draft will unfold.

Kind sounds like a spin job to me.. I think most people rather be sitting in the drivers seat with TB or Denvers pick than in the 2nd round. During draft day if a player of value is not there you can trade back. WE saw it last year with Mayo. Pats took less in the trade with New Orleans (per the trade chart) just to move back and save money.. They could have done it again but unfort we won't know..

mike_usagisan

I'm sorry, I just don't buy Mortensen's report that Bill passed on a guaranteed pick #12. Every other report I've read suggests that the deal wasn't really put together between Tampa Bay and Denver, with the suggestion that Tampa Bay was hot to get Cutler and Denver not so sure they wanted to give him up. The Broncos say that they were willing to listen to the deal, but weren't going to pull the trigger. And tampa didn't want to get stuck with Cassel. There was no other deal. Sorry.

I'm sick of all the people saying that the choice was clear cut between 12 and 34, when one was a real deal and one was a maybe-could-be deal. BB is known for doing his homework. Why aren't we willing to give him the benefit of the doubt that he actually did it here? Because Mort says so?

mcsully

Cutler is on the radio furious with what what on.. Believe Mort or not but you can see the result, Cutler is pissed about the possible trade.. If Cutler was going then who do you think McDaniels wanted? Garcia?? It was Cassel.. No doubt about it..

IcyPatriot

Only a fool would think Belichick screwed this up. I say this every year ... we always have armchair GM's making comments during this time of the season and not one of them, including those here know what the blueprint will be for the coming season. Belichick tweaks what this team is about every year and that's why we stay one of the best. Unless someone knows what the blueprint is for the coming year then they have no knowledge of how good or bad a deal it was. I'd rather say it was a great deal ... because I'm sure it was based on what we're doing for the upcoming season ... as always ... I eagerly await what the season will bring.

mike_usagisan

Cutler's been asking for a trade since his OC left. That doesn't mean that Denver was going to do it. Pro-Bowl QB vs. a guy who had one good year in NE?

McDaniels and the GM both answer to the owner over there. Just because McD might have gone for Cassel doesn't mean that the owner and GM would have.

mcsully

and only fools would accept this trade as a non issue.. No one, including BB, knows how the offseason will unfold (how his roster will be set). He has a road map how he wants it to look but in reality he doesn't know the finished product.. SO the best way to get to that finished product is to maximize your assests. ANd I 100% believe BB did not do this..

eom

mcsully -- I'll let you answer for all the armchair gm's who have strong opinions on this w/o having even 10% of the info needed to have an informed opinion.

I'm curious as to what the pats were 'supposed' to get and who was giving it to them ---- oh, and when this was going to happen, because the when is pretty significant.