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Old 01-28-2009, 06:03 AM   #1
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Ben Watson and Dave Thomas are fine tho not stellar in my view.
After a few years of a TE oriented offense, perhaps the addition of Welker has moved the NEP away from the need for three strong TEs??

What do you think about the importance of the TE in our offense now?

Secondly, could we be headed for another oh-so boring TE draft selection given that both Watson and Thomas are free agents after this coming season?

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Old 01-28-2009, 06:12 AM   #2
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We could use our #1 at tight end, I wouldn't be surprised. Watson was a workout wonder who still can't play high quality TE, and Thomas is not starter quality.

Mayock loves Pettigrew, says he's the best TE in the draft with no flaws.
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At this point, I'd rather see the Pats sign a proven Free Agent veteran Tightend than draft one. We need to use our picks on DEFENSE. The only Offensive players that I want to see the Pats draft are OFFENSIVE LINEMEN. WE MUST BUILD A FORTRESS AROUND THE FRANCHISE!
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At this point, I'd rather see the Pats sign a proven Free Agent veteran Tightend than draft one. We need to use our picks on DEFENSE. The only Offensive players that I want to see the Pats draft are OFFENSIVE LINEMEN. WE MUST BUILD A FORTRESS AROUND THE FRANCHISE!
Yeah, but if you get a blocking and receiving TE like pettigrew in the draft than you upgrade two things on offense with one pick. I agree though that a proven TE is much more valuable for the Pats now.
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We are not a 2 TE offence people we are going 3 WR in base and 4 WR in cases making a TE a pure blocking assest ,who maybe due to a defence asked to go out to catch a few throws .
So most of the above set we can only field 1 TE as the other guy is a RB.When faulk gets in with evans as lead blocking we take WR off the field leaving 1 TE again.

watson played like 75% of the snaps in this offence and he has developed alot as a blocker this year .
HOW CAN A PLAYER WHO PLAYED 3RD MOST SNAPS OTHER THAN MOSS AND WES BE MEDIOCRE?

As we opened the playbook with casell thomas did not even get on the field as we went more 4 WR with Faulk sets.

which brings the important question why draft/sign a FA TE when in a game where you need a 3rd TE you got evans or a Lineman
if we sign a new TE are we going to cut thomas or keep him as an inactive.
we do not need more than 2 TE on game day with 1 playing spl teams.so a 3rd TE is a useless roster spot.
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I think that BB likes good tight ends because they create matchup problems. An ideal tight end can block linebackers well (On the line or from the backfield) and run routes with reasonable precision. This way, if the defense puts in a linebacker to compensate for the "ideal TE", you bring him into the formation and you have a blocking advantage. If the defense brings in a heavier DL-type player to compensate for the "ideal TE" you split him out and run a pass play, creating a passing advantage. However, if the TE isn't that great, and the defense's base personnel can handle your TE without any substitutions, the defense has an advantage.

With Moss and Welker, you can still create the same advantages, just in a different way. Moss is, in and of himself, an advantage in the passing game. You need to account for him with two people. Always. Because of this, he creates passing game advantages everywhere, because coverage will be weaker on every other reciever. Also, there will be less men near the line of scrimmage to defend against the run, so there is a running game advantage also.

So, yes, we do not focus as much on the 2 and 3 TE sets because that's just not the personnel we have. We happen to have a GOAT QB and a GOAT WR, and that just screws with every defense.
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This years draft is suppose to have a very good and deep TE class. I can see the Patriots taking a TE sometime and an OT as that class is supoose to be very good too.
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This years draft is suppose to have a very good and deep TE class. I can see the Patriots taking a TE sometime..
Agree. This draft will definitely include a TE for us, but I doubt it will be on Day 1.
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We saw Cassel can run, he's a big guy and he knows the routes. Maybe if he's franchised and not traded, the Pats can use him at TE?

(No, I'm not really serious. But I'm not sure I'd put it past BB... )
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I think that we'll see a TE from the draft this year. As others have said, this year's TE class is supposed to be deep. If we see any team (Bills and Falcons should be looking at TE pretty heavy this year, too) take a TE in the first round (any position)... then I do believe that we'll hold off until day two (third round or higher)... BUT, if we see Pettigrew "fall" (not sure if a TE can "fall" in round one) to us at #23, I could see us grabbing at him.

Again, as previously stated, Watson is a work out freak but is not an elite TE (although he has stopped playing tip drill with the DBs every other pass attempt thrown his way). I really like Thomas and am not giving up on him as our second TE... but I don't believe he's a number one.

As far day two (round three picks)... maybe Coffman or Cook?

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