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I think the board is a little hard on Woods. He's doing a fairly good job and is involved in some good plays. He's not the next Bruschi, but for a backup he'll do well.
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I think the board is a little hard on Woods. He's doing a fairly good job and is involved in some good plays. He's not the next Bruschi, but for a backup he'll do well.
Woods plays outside like Thomas/Vrabel, not inside like Bruschi.
He was on pace to have 8 sacks on the year. That is average.
He got hurt at the start of the 10th game, I would say he was on pace for 9 or 10 sacks. Probably 10 because he would be rushing more now with Guyton's role increasing on a game to game basis. 10 sacks would've put him 15th in the league last year in sacks, up there with Tuck & Peterson. I'd hardly call that average. If you look at that list, there's a lot of good pass rushers with 6 or 7 sacks there, so I think you're definition of what an average sack total is a little off.
And to me the larger issue is this: Adalius was not being used in the pass rush frequently at the start of the year, and still was dropping in coverage, spying RBs as the season went on. If they had a sack per pass rush attempt stat, I bet he'd be up there at the top of the league. Like I said, the first few games of the season, he probably only rushed the passer a half dozen times each game. Once Mayo got more acclimated, that number rose.
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Great thread. Good to see a real football discussion with pros and cons instead of a lot of knee-jerk whining.
One of the things I feel the team is missing is the power nickel and dime packages that Belichick wanted to work around Tank Williams, playing a big safety at LB. It worked with Rodney, but Tank is just as big and a lot faster. With him on the field next year, they'll be effective against the run while playing the pass.
I didn't think this far into the season I'd be missing a rookie. Wheatley would almost certainly be an upgrade by now over O'Neal, who has been getting torched.
But AD was the biggest loss of the season, next to you-know-who.
I also don't think we can underestimate the loss of Warren recently. The Steelers ran at will over Mike Wright.
Not quite "at will." I DVR'd the game while I was at church and watched it after coming home and seeing the final score - so I was trying to analyze where the breakdowns might be to lead to a 33-10 score. Colon moved Mike off the line on the second play from scrimmage, so I focused on that battle all game - Colon did blow Mike off the line a couple times, but most of the time Mike was competitive.
The big problem was Vrabel. Playing on the defensive left he was being pushed wide - when Vrabes was playing on the defensive right he held his ground. I can't help but believe Vrabes does have a shoulder problem and it appears to be his right shoulder which he would be using to engage the blocker when setting the edge on the left side.
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Agree on the OLB. With the 3 interrior linemen playing 2-gap and taking double teams Vrabel/Woods are manily responsible for getting pressue from the edge. Vrabel is getting beat every play 1 0n 1 and woods can ben handled most times by a TE.
Merriweather i think will be a great FS or corner back it is not his fault he is being asked to play more of a SS with harrison down. As a FS or a corner back he would be a great hitter as a SS he is just a little too small.
DE - Richard Seymour - Still playing great. Having one of his best years ever. I don't know how anyone can say he's not as good as he used to be. Look at his numbers this year. He will probably beat his career high for sacks and tackles! The only "dominant" player on our DLine.
DE - Ty Warren - Solid. Great against the run. Young and locked up in a long term contract. Nothing to worry about here as long as there's no serious injuries.
NT - Vince Wilfork - Playing his best football ever. We all know a good NT is hard to come by. Wilfork is young and has done everything that's been asked of him. He's the #1 priority when it comes to re-signing players.
OLB - Adalius Thomas - Not as good as we thought he would be. Thomas has been decent, but nothing special. When he was healthy, he stood out among the linebackers this year as he was the only guy who could get any pressure on the QBs. Even then, his pass rush was just average. Not sure if he was worth the big price tag that came with him. He looked a lot better in Baltimore's defense, probably because he was surrounded by one of the best D's in the league. The positive is that when the older guys (Bruschi,Vrabel,Rodney) are gone, AD will still be here to provide veteran leadership and maturity to an otherwise young defense.
ILB - Jerod mayo - I'm impressed. Will most likely win DROY honors. He's had some ups and downs this year, but he's a solid Linebacker and will keep improving. Look at his game against the NYJets if you question his potential. I thought he was too much of a reach at #10 but he's turned out to be a great pick. Barring any serious injury, Mayo will be a cornerstone to our defense for the next 10 years. I am surprised how quickly he's picked up the playbook and asserted himself in the defense.
ILB - Tedy Bruschi - Not the same player he used to be. Will probably finish up his contract next year as a back-up to Gary Guyton, and then retire. Nice career as he was a key player in our Dynasty era. Guyton has quickly replaced him. At this point in his career, Bruschi provides good depth and veteran leadership.
ILB - Gary Guyton - See above. An UDFA Rookie who has come in and played a lot of reps in BB's defense. That's unheard of. He has great athletic ability and brings energy to our defense. I like what I've seen so far. He's made some minor rookie mistakes but nothing that won't be corrected with time.
OLB - Mike Vrabel - He had a Pro Bowl season last year, but he's quickly declined. Last year he had 12.5 sacks, this year he only has 3. Vrabel's also getting a lot more assisted tackles and less solo tackles. I admire his experience, but he's probably the weakest link in our front 7 right now, considering how important OLB is in the 34 scheme. His pass rush is next to nothing, and one of the main reasons our defense can't stop 3rd downs or prevent TD's in the red zone.
OLB - Pierre Woods - I can't believe he's starting. Woods should be a career special teamer and 3rd string OLB. He looks like a rookie out there, despite being in the system for quite awhile now.
S - Brandon Meriweather - I'm happy to see he's improved his hands and made some big INT's this year. The only play maker and big hitter in our secondary right now. His INT's all came at crucial points in the game which helped us pull away for the win. He would probably be better at FS than SS. Some Tight Ends are too big for him to cover. Still, he's all over the place and seems to be in on every play. Has a lot of potential and will keep getting better.
S - James Sanders - Below average. Limited. Has been responsible for some big plays at costly times (see: end of the game, week 1 vs. KC). I don't feel safe with him as our starting Safety and last line of defense. We will most likely re-sign him since we don't have any one to replace him yet, but I hope we draft a Safety in this years draft to eventually take his starting job in a couple years.
S - Rodney Harrison - On his last legs. Old and becoming injury prone. Slow but still solid against the run. Playing more like a LB in recent years. Potential retirement after this year. He only comes back next year if he feels the Pats could win a SB next year with a healthy Brady. Either way, he has 1 year left in him at most. Brings a nasty demeanor to the D that we've missed since his injury.
CB - Ellis Hobbs - Shouldn't be a #1 CB. Has been torched a few too many times this year. He's alright and would look a lot better if the front 7 could put pressure on the QB. Good kick returner.
CB - Deltha ONeal - Up and down, but overall terrible. Gets picked on by opposing QBs. I see why the Bengals cut him now. Needs to be upgraded ASAP. Looks like he's simply going through the motions these days. He's slowed down and receivers are consistently getting a couple steps on him.
Pros: DLine. Young ILBs who are exceeding expectations.
Cons: Secondary. Lack of pass rush. Unbalanced Age. After the 3 vets retire, we are left with a bunch of young, inexperienced players on defense, with no one but AD and the DLine to bring maturity, discipline, and leadership.
Harrison is cooked.....Vrabel like you say has "aged fast" and is not doing even close to what he did last year......Bruschi will most likely retire after THIS season....not sure if that is what you were saying.......Deltha Oneal is this year's Duane Starks.......he is sorry....Hobbs is what he is....and that is a good KR and a complimentary secondary player.....all too often it seems he gets left on an island and torched (one on one......no good).......agree with the rest of your analysis....thanks.....
Not quite "at will." I DVR'd the game while I was at church and watched it after coming home and seeing the final score - so I was trying to analyze where the breakdowns might be to lead to a 33-10 score. Colon moved Mike off the line on the second play from scrimmage, so I focused on that battle all game - Colon did blow Mike off the line a couple times, but most of the time Mike was competitive.
The big problem was Vrabel. Playing on the defensive left he was being pushed wide - when Vrabes was playing on the defensive right he held his ground. I can't help but believe Vrabes does have a shoulder problem and it appears to be his right shoulder which he would be using to engage the blocker when setting the edge on the left side.
Reiss has a good analysis of exactly this situation, talking about both Wright and Vrabel.