BoTown

I didn't like that they left either, but can you really blame them? Once upon a time, Bill Belichick dared to leave his job as defensive coordinator after winning two rings with the Giants, in order to pursue a head coaching job with the Browns. He stumbled, got fired, and went back to work for Parcells, but he became a better coach for it. We got ourselves a dynasty in New England because Belichick dared to dream big. So I don't hold it against Weis or Crennel for thinking the same way.

Now the ratfink Mangina, well, I wouldn't have mind if he didn't do it to join our arch rivals. He can go to hell.

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matt1073

Probably Romeo are defense hasn't been the same since 05.

Double G

"I didn't like that they left either, but can you really blame them? Once upon a time, Bill Belichick dared to leave his job as defensive coordinator after winning two rings with the Giants, in order to pursue a head coaching job with the Browns. He stumbled, got fired, and went back to work for Parcells, but he became a better coach for it. We got ourselves a dynasty in New England because Belichick dared to dream big. So I don't hold it against Weis or Crennel for thinking the same way."

Right; but some people aren't cut out to be head coaches, THEY KNOW IT, but their ego's won't allow themselves to be talked out of it.

What is wrong with being a life long OC or DC, staying with a team/organization that you enjoy working for and racking up the Super Bowls like both of them did and would have continued to do.

I understand all the BS about what you do in that situation, you'd go for the highest paid job too; ah, no I wouldn't, been in that position before and stayed where I was, I loved my job and did not want all the added responsibility, moving to a new city, etc even though it meant more money.

Money does not drive the bus for everyone; I'd rather love what I do and where I am that go somewhere else for money, just doesn't work for me and judging by both of their track records at the helm, it didn't work for either one of them too............

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pats1

Florio just posted some more on Weis' impending firing:

ProFootballTalk.com - WEIS FIRING RUMORS INTENSIFY

PatriotDynasty_12

I got that feeling, if USC embarrases ND tonight, it's all over for Charlie.

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BoTown

That is true. If a particular job makes you happy, then added responsibility and money may not necessarily make you happier. Monte Kiffin probably loves being DC in TB, even though he's been tempted to leave for a HC job before.

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pats1

I vividly remember posting on here during training camp 2005, when Weis made a visit to Gillette. My post went something along the lines of "I know it sounds crazy, but I have this strange feeling Weis is going to be back with the Pats some day." When he got the big contract the next year, that feeling subsided, but still, funny how things go.

mojocaster.com

RAC all the way for me. i simply more of a need for his services than Weis' at the moment.

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AzPatsFan

I find it amazing that Pees and Capers are being blamed instead of applauded for the rcoaching job with the Patriot Defense.

BB decided he had to rebuild the Defense, and wanted to do it without having a 5-11 season or worse. He told these guys that he was rebuilding and wanted to do it in two years or less, while the Offense was as good as any in the League. And he wanted to CONTINUE Winning while they did it.

I think thet have suceeded magnificently.

The number of old vets who have gone over the hill is large: Ty Law, Roman Phifer, Ted Johnson, Willie McGinnest, Rosey Colvin, Jr. Seau, Rodney Harrison. There is only one left and he is almost a backup behind UDFA rookie Guyton. Tedy is is the last connection to the old Defense, when you think about it.

Thankfully the Defensive line is all superb, young, and have provided the continuity for the transition. Even there, however, Seymour had to come back from a knee and arm injury. Warren has had a few hurts too.

The foundation for the new Patriots Defense has been laid. Mayo, Woods, Guyton, Meriwether, Sanders, Hobbs, as well as AD, Vrabel; and the defensive linemen Seymour,Wilfork, Warren, LeKevin, Wright, Jarvis along with rookies Wheatley, Willhite, and Crable are a great foundation for a new generation of dominating Defense. This draft you can probably add a S, CB, ILB and OLB to the mix too. By this time next season, the Pat's Defense will be an intimidating one, equivalent to the best the Pats have had this decade, and composed of players able to play together for three to five years or more.

Sean Pa Patriot

I think Charlie needs one more year.. that would give him 5 solid years.. the team tonight looks like it has given up.. I like Charlie and wont mind him back with the Pats if Mcdaniels , who has done a great job this yr leaves..

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We going to take it one game at a time