Steelers can't run on the Pats, they can't win - Page 4 - New England Patriots Forums

mesoslo · 11-28-2008, 11:56 AM

The steelers pass offense is not exactly selling like hot cakes, not to mention Ben Rottenburger is like a potato, always getting sacked. If you cant put up a run threat, it will make it harder for you to execute the pass.

Sure the steelers Dfense is top notch, but its not like this steelers defense has consistently played a strong offensive team like the patriots. If the steelers had a QB like Brady or manning then they probally wont need to establish the run, but Ben Rottenburger is not Brady or Manning.

This game is a test of the steelers offense and the patriots Defense, if the patriots Defense does not come up with a good strong game against a very average offense then I dont think they can win in the playoffs, and with the steelers, if their average offense does not play well enough to beat teams with a really strong offense and an average defense, then they will have troubles in the playoffs, because most of the teams in the playoffs will have good offense and average to good defense.

***Leave No Doubt*** · 11-28-2008, 12:01 PM

I hope the Pats blitz til they can't blitz anymore. Ben's inconsistency is a liability at times and if the Pats play good,physical D and can manage to get in his grill they could gain a nice advantage. If they can force him to pass, maybe grab an INT or 2 off him, hopefully take him out of his game when we need to.

We need game from our D, but especially one that'll rattle and roll Ben out of his comfort zone. I wouldn't go so far as to say the Steelers CAN'T win without the run, but I think it'll be a lot more difficult.

mesoslo · 11-28-2008, 12:13 PM

If the patriots offense was average to horrible then you dont need to establish the run to win, but its because the patriots offense is strong, combined with the steelers offense being average, the steelers will need to be able to run the ball, to move the chains and keep up with the patriots offense. At least the steelers have a strong defense that will prevent the patriots offense from running away with this game. And also the patriots front 7 are good at stopping the run.

Do you think its a good idea for a steelers offense which is average, to line up 4 wide, and throw on a BB defense? If Ben rottenburger was Brady or Manning then yeah its a good idea, other wise I wouldnt try it. The Jets game is a good example, the jets had strong defense and a good offense, and look at how the patriots manage and handle that game, sure it was a lost nothing to brag about, but still, the steelers are not the jets, and Ben rottenburger is not Brady or Manning.

VJCPatriot · 11-28-2008, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ClosingTime

Pats will not be able to run. They rarely even try and that's when they acutally had a couple decent running backs. Whether the Steelers can run remais a mystery. Parker is hurting as is the OL. They struggled to run against the lowly Bengals.

Pats have a decent rush defense and are probably better than the numbers suggest due to having to cover for a weak secondary.

This really comes down to Cassel vs Ben. Steelers have the better D and Ben, while not having a great year, has still proven he can get it done. For all the hype after playing two good games, Cassel is an unproven commodity.

Cassel > Ben

Unproven? Talk about a skeptic. What games have you been watching?

I expect Cassel to take the next big step - that is beating a good defensive team.

PatsFan2 · 11-28-2008, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by VJCPatriot

Cassel > Ben

Unproven? Talk about a skeptic. What games have you been watching?

I expect Cassel to take the next big step - that is beating a good defensive team.

Cassel wouldn't only beat a good Defensive Team but the one who is Number one overall in all the Defensive categories. If Cassel throws for 250 or more in a win against that Pittsburgh Defense...one can only imagine the new Threads that would be started around here...Brady who?

***Leave No Doubt*** · 11-28-2008, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by PatsFan2

Cassel wouldn't only beat a good Defensive Team but the one who is Number one overall in all the Defensive categories. If Cassel throws for 250 or more in a win against that Pittsburgh Defense...

That would be quite a notch in his belt for sure

sg14 · 11-28-2008, 11:31 PM

For what it is worth, I went and looked at the Steeler's record, they have lost to at Philly, at home to the Giants and Colts

One would think that the Pats and the Colts are fairly even,, BUT

This was a game where Ben R threw 3 picks, the Colts only got a total of 290 yards of offense, meaning their red zone efficiency was real good. A Steeler DB actually tipped a pass, which Wayne then caught ala tip drill and sauntered into the endzone.

Steelers had 325 yards of total offense.

Pats will have to play their best come Sunday.

mesoslo · 11-29-2008, 12:43 AM

The colts are not that great at stopping the run, yet the steelers only put up about 65 yards rushing, and Ben rottenburger didnt throw for a single TD, threw 3 picks and got sacked twice.

The colts threw for 3 TDs on the steelers, the steelers didnt throw any tds, there only 2 tds( 1 yard rushing) were ran in by moore on a weak run defense. If the patriots and colts are even then, fine, but the patriots run defense is stronger, so those rushing TDs by moore might be harder to come by against the patriots. So like the tittle said, if the steelers cant run on the pats, they cant win.

Both teams have to play their best on sunday.

ClosingTime · 12-01-2008, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by VJCPatriot

Cassel > Ben

Unproven? Talk about a skeptic. What games have you been watching?

I expect Cassel to take the next big step - that is beating a good defensive team.

Um...I guess now it's proven.

mesoslo · 12-01-2008, 05:05 PM

Their throwing stats were very similar, not to mention butter fingers by some of the pats WR.