The Official 'Trade Brady' Debate Thread - Do Not Start Another One - Page 98 - New England Patriots Forums

PATRIOT64 · 01-26-2009, 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Lifer

top tier defense. Give me a break. Pittsburgh has a top tier defense. Baltimore has a top tier defense.

the Patriots do not. Statistics?? The Statistics used to rank defenses are totally useless. A team is #1 in pass defense, based on yardage? Maybe its because they give up 300 on the ground and other teams dont have to pass.

the 70's Patriots teams always were ranked high based on yardage, but guess what? they could never make a play when it counted.
conversely, the 2001 Patriots were ranked something like 18th in defense, they bent but didnt break.

Use your eyes. The Patriots havent been a top tier defense since 2004.

Agreed with 1,000% - Homers don't see reality

Our defense has had virtually NO SERIOUS pass rusher since Willie Mac left

Our secondary when guys got injured used to be filled in with guys from the streets that contributed enough to keep the offenses in check - Nowadays this secondary has way too many has beens and also-rans to make it a formidable one

Our BIGGEST concern to fill some holes this offseason has to start and probably end with some nice aquisitions to the backfieLd,Which of course is the cornerback position - even Hobbs is not a certified lock on his side IMO.

I expect some FA action and at least 2 picks on draft day to be in the cornerback area and for a good look at a pass rushing specialist,otherwise this team will never win another SB Title in the near future - Brady or no Brady

***nashvillepatsfan*** · 01-26-2009, 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by PATRIOT64

Agreed with 1,000% - Homers don't see reality
Our defense has had virtually NO SERIOUS pass rusher since Willie Mac left

Anyone who thinks we have a pass rush, should watch the nfl networks superbowl shows they're running this week. Watch how aggressive the Pats blitzing was against Philly. Willie, Bru, etc were all over Mcnabb. That was the last time I saw this defense have a great pass rush. Hopefully, this draft will yeild some pass rushers.

Synovia · 01-26-2009, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by BradyManny2344

1) Unhealthy Brady = untradeable.
2) Healthy Brady = why the heck would you trade him.

This is why this thread breaks down: You people can not possibly see that there is a possiblility that Brady is neither 100%, nor unable to play.

Synovia · 01-26-2009, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by BradyFTW!

On the other hand, Brady is capable of winning the Super Bowl with the offense and defense that we have right now. I think a lot of you have been spoiled by the Belichick era, and think that the Patriots have this unlimited window of opportunity that will never close.

Again, the assumption that:

1) 2007 was NOT A CAREER YEAR
2) Brady comes back 100%.

I think both assumptions are false. Even if Brady comes back 100%, and is as elite as he ever could be, theres almost NO CHANCE, that he ever throws 50 TDs in a season again.

ScottieC · 01-26-2009, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Synovia

Again, the assumption that:

1) 2007 was NOT A CAREER YEAR
2) Brady comes back 100%.

I think both assumptions are false. Even if Brady comes back 100%, and is as elite as he ever could be, theres almost NO CHANCE, that he ever throws 50 TDs in a season again.

"he ever throws 50 TDs in a season again."

Seeing how one guy has done that.......ever, you're really going out on a limb with that statement.

BradyManny · 01-26-2009, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Synovia

This is why this thread breaks down: You people can not possibly see that there is a possiblility that Brady is neither 100%, nor unable to play.

What you don't understand is that GMs aren't going to trade for Brady if he's not 100%, and if they would, they wouldn't send over the mass amounts Day 1 picks that you and your "trade Brady" cohorts think are coming.

Again, answer the questions I posed to you.

Or here's a new one. Who yields you more in trade? Cassel right now, or Brady, if he comes back and can't come to 100%? Remember Randy Moss yielded a 4th rounder.

***BradyFTW!*** · 01-26-2009, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Synovia

Again, the assumption that:

1) 2007 was NOT A CAREER YEAR
2) Brady comes back 100%.

I think both assumptions are false. Even if Brady comes back 100%, and is as elite as he ever could be, theres almost NO CHANCE, that he ever throws 50 TDs in a season again.

Hahaha, of course 2007 was a career year. Nobody said otherwise. So you're saying that we should trade him because he'll never throw 50 touchdown passes again?

All that I said was that Brady is good enough for us to win multiple SBs with him right now. He obviously doesn't need to throw 50 TDs for the Pats to win the Super Bowl. Exhibits A, B, and C being the three Super Bowls that we won without him throwing for 50 TDs.

Once again, if you have to use such a blatant straw man argument to try to dispute one sentence of a multiple paragraph post, then it's pretty clear that you don't have a leg to stand on.

TheGodInAGreyHoodie · 01-26-2009, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BradyManny2344

If Brady comes back HEALTHY he starts.

Again. There are two scenarios:

1) Unhealthy Brady = untradeable.
2) Healthy Brady = why the heck would you trade him.

No one in favor of this thread has yet to commit to one of those two scenarios because they know both end up in keeping Brady. That's why we're stuck in this fantasy land where guys can get traded while rehabbing from an ACL injury.

Bull****. An unhealthy Brady is still tradeable just for conditional picks. Heck, Pacman was tradeable.

BradyManny · 01-26-2009, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGodInAGreyHoodie

Bull****. An unhealthy Brady is still tradeable just for conditional picks. Heck, Pacman was tradeable.

LOL. So you'd trade Brady for conditional picks? I'm sorry, but you are truly making a fool of yourself. Why the hell would you make that trade?

AzPatsFan · 01-26-2009, 03:59 PM

Please desist wiht this either or situation. Belichick will never paint himslef into a corner when he doesn't have to do so.

He won't trade either one, until such time as he knows he has at least one good QB remaining.

The ony question is, when that time will come.

I suspect it won't be until mid season 2009. Bu it should be certain by 2010 summer camp, at the latest.

But y'all are perfectly free to pick a time. But it isn't before he plays in a game, and Belichick knows, that he shows he has his escapability or shiftyness, to step aside or step up, to gain precisous fractions of a second.

Just because he can hobble, does not mean he can play. Look at Culpepper's career in that he came back way to soon. He didn't help himself; and he didn't help the Phins.