The Official 'Trade Brady' Debate Thread - Do Not Start Another One

[FortressX]

Originally Posted by aluminum seats

Terry Bradshaw won his last Super Bowl at 31, Joe Montana at 33, Troy Aikman at 29. Next year Brady will be 32. The idea that the championships were rolling in late in their 30s is simply untrue.

Well maybe if Joe stayed with the 49ers he would have won again there is no way of knowing.
Troy had a serious concussion problem that TB does not have thankfully.

[Deus Irae]

Originally Posted by aluminum seats

Back to the "we're already the team of next decade" nonsense, and to those who say "look at all the qb's playing into their late thirties!" The idea is to maximize the chance at sustained excellence. If you look again at the teams of the decades--the Steelers in the 70s, the 49ers in the 80s, the Cowboys in the 90s--look at the ages of the QBs.....

Terry Bradshaw won his last Super Bowl at 31, Joe Montana at 33, Troy Aikman at 29. Next year Brady will be 32. The idea that the championships were rolling in late in their 30s is simply untrue. Occasionally things will come together and a QB will win one later--Plunkett did, Elway did (when the Denver team won because of defense and Terrell Davis, not Elway) but for championship contention year after year, you're not going to see it with a guy in his mid-thirties.

Bart Starr was 34
Elway was 38
Staubach was 35
Plunkett was 36
Johnson was 34

And those were just the winners. If you add in the players who got there but lost in the Super Bowl, you get

Morrall at 34
Tarkenton at 36
Morton at 34
Staubach at 36
Theismann at 34
Gannon at 37

That's a lot of quarterbacks getting to, and winning, the Super Bowl after 33 years of age.

[groganbootleg]

Originally Posted by BradyManny2344

Get your facts straight. They went back in to clean out the infection. He did not have a second ACL surgery.

Did they cut him again? That would be 2 (TWO) surgeries then.....those are the facts. If the first one was neat and clean they wouldn't have had to go back in again. The point is he is far from a simple cleaning out procedure. This is going to take some time and its not out of the question that he never comes back the same.

[ScottieC]

Originally Posted by groganbootleg

Did they cut him again? That would be 2 (TWO) surgeries then.....those are the facts. If the first one was neat and clean they wouldn't have had to go back in again. The point is he is far from a simple cleaning out procedure. This is going to take some time and its not out of the question that he never comes back the same.

This is nuts.

Brady had ONE surgery, that's it - ONE.

He had another PROCEDURE - NOT a surgery - this procedure was done to clean the knee out and sterilize the affected area. This procedure was done using a needle and flushed the knee. The knee was NEVER opened for a second time.

We are now 11 Weeks out of the initial surgery and 8-9 weeks out of the flush when the infection was diagnosed.

[scout]

Originally Posted by Deus Irae

Bart Starr was 34
Elway was 38
Staubach was 35
Plunkett was 36
Johnson was 34

And those were just the winners. If you add in the players who got there but lost in the Super Bowl, you get

Morrall at 34
Tarkenton at 36
Morton at 34
Staubach at 36
Theismann at 34
Gannon at 37

That's a lot of quarterbacks getting to, and winning, the Super Bowl after 33 years of age.

Out of 42 Super bowls 5 QB's were past their prime and won. Johnson was one and done and was there because of the Bucs defense. Philadelphia scored 10 against Oakland, Miami scored 3 points against Dallas's defense. Kansas scored 10 against Green Bay. Now Elway did have a good game, but he sure looked like he was on his last legs.
My point, defense wins championships.

[groganbootleg]

Originally Posted by Deus Irae

In other words, the answer is "no"

Wow, so a 31 yr old with a major knee injury is not at risk for having more injuries later on? Thats a bold statement.

Originally Posted by Deus Irae

Ok, you really think that Cassel is a first ballot hall of famer? I ask, because that's what Steve Young is.

Young was not a HOFer when he took over. Montana was.

Originally Posted by Deus Irae

But it is a slam dunk. Brady's not getting traded.

Says you.....the thread is to discuss the relative merits of both options, not to come to a final conclusion. I think if you asked BB (and he answered honestly), he would tell you nothing is out of the realm of possibility.

[aluminum seats]

Originally Posted by Deus Irae

Bart Starr was 34
Elway was 38
Staubach was 35
Plunkett was 36
Johnson was 34

And those were just the winners. If you add in the players who got there but lost in the Super Bowl, you get

Morrall at 34
Tarkenton at 36
Morton at 34
Staubach at 36
Theismann at 34
Gannon at 37

That's a lot of quarterbacks getting to, and winning, the Super Bowl after 33 years of age.

See, your post doesn’t really refute mine. I’m talking about the best way to maximize the Pats chances to be the team of the next decade. Saying, “look, these QBs were old, but they were able to lose the Super Bowl!” doesn’t really help your argument. As for the winning old-timers, I already mentioned two of those five. As for the other three who were able to get one, I acknowledged that sometimes the stars can align for a team, whoever the QB is.

[aluminum seats]

Originally Posted by FortressX

Well maybe if Joe stayed with the 49ers he would have won again there is no way of knowing.
Troy had a serious concussion problem that TB does not have thankfully.

But Joe didn't stay, because SF wanted to move on. Troy had concussions. Brady has major knee surgery, etc. This stuff happens when you get older.

[ScottieC]

Originally Posted by groganbootleg

Says you.....the thread is to discuss the relative merits of both options, not to come to a final conclusion. I think if you asked BB (and he answered honestly), he would tell you nothing is out of the realm of possibility.

In all fairness, If you asked Bill if the Sun would rise in the east tomorrow, he would defer to tomorrow so he could give you a more definitive answer, nothing with Bill is out of the realm of possibility...until it's reality and then he still won't comment.

[Deus Irae]

Originally Posted by scout

Out of 42 Super bowls 5 QB's were past their prime and won. Johnson was one and done and was there because of the Bucs defense. Philadelphia scored 10 against Oakland, Miami scored 3 points against Dallas's defense. Kansas scored 10 against Green Bay. Now Elway did have a good game, but he sure looked like he was on his last legs.
My point, defense wins championships.

No, players and teams win championships, both on offense and on defense. For that matter, Desmond Howard showed it also happens on special teams. Generally speaking (not always), the teams who make the Super Bowl are pretty good on both offense and defense.

However, just for example, the past 2 Super Bowl winners have been ranked higher offensively than defensively.