The Official 'Trade Brady' Debate Thread - Do Not Start Another One - Page 38 - New England Patriots Forums

xmarkd400x · 12-21-2008, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by scout

Wow! Its 1:35 Central time and I'm pretty wasted, yet I think I can trash your post fairly accurately. You didn't ask if Indy would trade for Brady. Go back and read what you wrote concerning who was equal to Brady as it compared to their team.
Nor did you respond to my post in regards to the Patriots having a defense which is capable of winning a Superbowl. I think its wonderful to have a great QB who may be one of the finest the game has ever seen, and fortunately he has had a defense behind him which helped him achieve 3 Superbowl victories. Ask Dan Marino or Dan Fouts about having a defensive football team. I am ecstatic that the Patriots won three titles in four years. I also remember the Orr teams and the Bird teams where I expected more World Championships during their eras. Are you satisfied that the Patriots may not win another title with Brady at QB, just as long as they don't trade him. What if I gave you a scenario in which the Patriots ended up with four new defensive starters giving them a shut down defense via trade. Are you still stating under no circumstances should the Patriots consider trading Brady because.............an offense trumps a defense.
Don't you just hate a devils advocate.

Tell me the situation. There is no realistic scenario in the present NFL where the Patriots get dollar-for-dollar value for Tom Brady. Yes, there is one player who represents comprable (and perhaps equal) value, but you can't get him.

scout · 12-21-2008, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by xmarkd400x

Tell me the situation. There is no realistic scenario in the present NFL where the Patriots get dollar-for-dollar value for Tom Brady. Yes, there is one player who represents comprable (and perhaps equal) value, but you can't get him.

I really don't get your dollar for dollar scenario, this isn't the NBA. Although, its a different spin from the usual hysteria. The team prior to the Patriot who won three out of four SB's built their team by trading one player. Currently, the Patriots do not have a championship caliber defense to win, thus you look at all options. A trade involving multiple teams with the end result benefiting the Patriots defense could transform them into a new dynasty. I don't think it will happen and I'm not sure I would do it, but at the same time I have no problem imagining the benefit of that trade.

Krugman · 12-21-2008, 09:55 AM

Absolutely ,positively,unequivocally ridiculous.......

PatriotsInGA · 12-21-2008, 10:02 AM

think about it... we'd save about 12 million a year. we could recreate our secondary

scout · 12-21-2008, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Krugman

Absolutely ,positively,unequivocally ridiculous.......

Because..........................

ManningOverratedHick · 12-21-2008, 01:58 PM

Because it's pointless to trade one of the 5 best quarterbacks of all-time when he hasn't proven that he's damaged goods for the rest of his career.

If you could get Drew Brees, Antonio Cromartie, and Champ Bailey for Brady, I could understand the argument, but that wouldn't happen. The salaries wouldn't much up, and even if somehow they could pull Roger Clemens to the Yankees a la 1999, why would the teams involved do it just to benefit the Patriots and the team who would get Brady?

Even talk like that is mental masturbation, fantasy football talk. We have arguably the best QB ever to play the game not named Joe Montana or John Elway, and we're going to trade him because of an outside circumstance that won't matter this time next year when he guides the team to a 12-4 record, division championship, with 35 TD and 4,000 yards and another possible MVP and Super Bowl MVP? Think before you speak.

aluminum seats · 12-21-2008, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by scout

I really don't get your dollar for dollar scenario, this isn't the NBA. Although, its a different spin from the usual hysteria. The team prior to the Patriot who won three out of four SB's built their team by trading one player. Currently, the Patriots do not have a championship caliber defense to win, thus you look at all options. A trade involving multiple teams with the end result benefiting the Patriots defense could transform them into a new dynasty. I don't think it will happen and I'm not sure I would do it, but at the same time I have no problem imagining the benefit of that trade.

Good post. Interesting to think about in terms of dynasties over the years. There typically is a team of the decade: in the 70s it was the Steelers, in the 80s the 49ers, the 90s the Cowboys, and the 00's (the oughts?) our Patriots. So a way to frame the question of Brady and Cassel is not look how great Tom Brady is, but how to position this team as the team of the next decade. Is it to ride Brady and the current group, or do you think about the roll of the dice with a different qb and bushels of draft picks. As you say, I don't think it will happen and I'm not sure I would do it, but at the same time I have no problem imagining the benefit of that trade.

swheeler23 · 12-21-2008, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by aluminum seats

Good post. Interesting to think about in terms of dynasties over the years. There typically is a team of the decade: in the 70s it was the Steelers, in the 80s the 49ers, the 90s the Cowboys, and the 00's (the oughts?) our Patriots. So a way to frame the question of Brady and Cassel is not look how great Tom Brady is, but how to position this team as the team of the next decade. Is it to ride Brady and the current group, or do you think about the roll of the dice with a different qb and bushels of draft picks. As you say, I don't think it will happen and I'm not sure I would do it, but at the same time I have no problem imagining the benefit of that trade.

People just assume the Patriots could trade Brady easily. Brady would not go to a lot of teams. Detriot? Crap Miami just scored!

scout · 12-21-2008, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ManningOverratedHick

Because it's pointless to trade one of the 5 best quarterbacks of all-time when he hasn't proven that he's damaged goods for the rest of his career.

If you could get Drew Brees, Antonio Cromartie, and Champ Bailey for Brady, I could understand the argument, but that wouldn't happen. The salaries wouldn't much up, and even if somehow they could pull Roger Clemens to the Yankees a la 1999, why would the teams involved do it just to benefit the Patriots and the team who would get Brady?

Even talk like that is mental masturbation, fantasy football talk. We have arguably the best QB ever to play the game not named Joe Montana or John Elway, and we're going to trade him because of an outside circumstance that won't matter this time next year when he guides the team to a 12-4 record, division championship, with 35 TD and 4,000 yards and another possible MVP and Super Bowl MVP? Think before you speak.

If he's damaged goods then the thread isn't even about a trade debate. My whole point was that there was an option, yet the vast majority went balistic at even the thought, with many posts excluding explanations. There are scenarios where Brady could be traded to a team making them instant contenders and giving the Patriots a boatload of talent on defense. You almost caught on, but bowed out.
Again, like many posts here you talk about Brady being one of the best, I concur. Then Brady having a monster season next year. The problem with that scenario is that Brady had a monster season last year and it wasn't enough. Now, you want him to duplicate it, or wait, do better Tom, because the defense won't hold. Ranting about the Patriots offense as it precludes to a championship is the ultimate circle jerk (if thats the terminology that you prefer).

swheeler23 · 12-21-2008, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by scout

If he's damaged goods then the thread isn't even about a trade debate. My whole point was that there was an option, yet the vast majority went balistic at even the thought, with many posts excluding explanations. There are scenarios where Brady could be traded to a team making them instant contenders and giving the Patriots a boatload of talent on defense. You almost caught on, but bowed out.
Again, like many posts here you talk about Brady being one of the best, I concur. Then Brady having a monster season next year. The problem with that scenario is that Brady had a monster season last year and it wasn't enough. Now, you want him to duplicate it, or wait, do better Tom, because the defense won't hold. Ranting about the Patriots offense as it precludes to a championship is the ultimate circle jerk (if thats the terminology that you prefer).

The more the Patriots win the more likely Brady will get traded. If they win a game or even two in the playoffs Brady will get traded. At first I thought it would never happen but now I am not so sure. Has Brady played his last down as a Patriot? If they do trade him it better be to the NFC. Also I think he would retire before going to some teams.