The Official 'Trade Brady' Debate Thread - Do Not Start Another One

[MoLewisrocks]

Originally Posted by AzPatsFan

In all this either/or discussion, I have yet to hear the most probable situation that is likely to occur.

Tom Brady had a complete knee rebuild after tearing and ACL and MCL, along with subsequent complications. Most doctors and football experience indicates, that such an injury takes 18 months or more to recover from, and be fully productive.

(Some come back sooner like Dante Culpepper and stink up the joint, and endanger their careers.)

Eighteen months from September 2008 is February 2010, when presumably Tom Brady will be fully recovered, and be able to play like Tom Brady, and not some wounded, hobbling, immobile Duck.

So... Who plays QB for the NE Patriots for the 2009 season?

Where did you get that idea? Brady has an ACL reconstruction and MCL repair. Palmer had structural damage to his kneecap on top of that and was back in 6 months and with no ill effects. Culpepper rehabbed in a strip mall parking lot, and his problems don't emanate from his knees. Brady's full recovery was projected for 9 months post surgery. That put him in training camp. The infection added a couple of weeks to the equation. That puts him in the pre season.

Tom Brady plays QB for the NE Patriots for the 2009 season. Kevin O'Connell and either Gutierrez or some minimum salary savvy vet back him up. Just like Cassel did for the last two seasons. Matt Cassel starts somewhere else. Bill isn' going to spend 25% of his cap on one position because we do have needs and 1-53 do matter.

[PatriotsReign]

Originally Posted by PatriotsReign

Why even start this one? There is no debate.

3 Super Bowl rings, 4 super bowl appearances and best record in the NFL since he became QB.

Next!

Originally Posted by Clonamery

Dang! Every time I go away on business I miss a "Legendary" argument....

I'm surprised this even continued after my legendary post....aren't you?

[PatriotsReign]

Originally Posted by Jafo

you freakin idiots, you dont trade brady. You trade cassell while his stock is high, cause this guy is a flash in the pan nothin.

You have a lot of balls kid with that avatar. I'm surprised the mods even allow you to have it.

[captain insano]

this thread is so very gay

[Sivy]

Originally Posted by jeffbiologist

All emotion aside--
If MC wins the SB I think the obvious choice would be to trade TB. Buy low sell high, emotion be damned, BB can replace anyone. There were several good points in this thread.....we are plenty under the cap both this year and next, now let me get out a fun crystal ball.....

We win the SB, Pioli and McDaniels go to the floundering Detroit franchise. They first negiotiate a move to LA and then a trade for TB including their 2 #1s this year and say a player/pick later. These picks set us up with enough talent to remake the Dynasty which is now effectively DEAD(havent won a SB in 4 years!). We can absorb the cap hit for trading TB, as well as signing not only Cassel but Wilfork and either Mankins/Seymour. The NFL would grease the wheels for the Lions move, TB would be more "at home" in Lala land too.
Dont you have to note that despite his success here that he is not out and around one minute more than he absolutely has to be?? More Larry Bird than say Bobby Orr, he isnt the type of athlete that adopts the city that adopts him. Jim Kelly LIVES in Buffalo, Dan Marino LIVES in Miami, Young and Montana LIVE in Cali, Elway in Denver, I cant see TB being around the way that Grogan has...sorry. I think TB will be OK with that kind of move, his hero Montana did it after all. His future in politics will fit ALOT better behind Arnold S. than any Mass liberals. His son is in CA,etc,etc....

This would be best for Pats fans(winning the SB and getting value in trade).
This would be the best for other NFL teams-the perception of dominance shaken.
And this would be the best for the NFL, TB in LA would get HUGE ratings and instant credibility(if not success).
Sorry Detroit, nothing personal.LOL.

I typed some big old thing here, but I'll try to be nicer


Brady isnt going to get traded regardless of what happens.



THREAD LOCKED.

[swheeler23]

Originally Posted by Sivy

I typed some big old thing here, but I'll try to be nicer


Brady isnt going to get traded regardless of what happens.



THREAD LOCKED.

Brady should adopt a city who is ready to trade him away because he got injuried.

[scout]

Originally Posted by jeffbiologist

All emotion aside--
If MC wins the SB I think the obvious choice would be to trade TB. Buy low sell high, emotion be damned, BB can replace anyone. There were several good points in this thread.....we are plenty under the cap both this year and next, now let me get out a fun crystal ball.....

We win the SB, Pioli and McDaniels go to the floundering Detroit franchise. They first negiotiate a move to LA and then a trade for TB including their 2 #1s this year and say a player/pick later. These picks set us up with enough talent to remake the Dynasty which is now effectively DEAD(havent won a SB in 4 years!). We can absorb the cap hit for trading TB, as well as signing not only Cassel but Wilfork and either Mankins/Seymour. The NFL would grease the wheels for the Lions move, TB would be more "at home" in Lala land too.
Dont you have to note that despite his success here that he is not out and around one minute more than he absolutely has to be?? More Larry Bird than say Bobby Orr, he isnt the type of athlete that adopts the city that adopts him. Jim Kelly LIVES in Buffalo, Dan Marino LIVES in Miami, Young and Montana LIVE in Cali, Elway in Denver, I cant see TB being around the way that Grogan has...sorry. I think TB will be OK with that kind of move, his hero Montana did it after all. His future in politics will fit ALOT better behind Arnold S. than any Mass liberals. His son is in CA,etc,etc....

This would be best for Pats fans(winning the SB and getting value in trade).
This would be the best for other NFL teams-the perception of dominance shaken.
And this would be the best for the NFL, TB in LA would get HUGE ratings and instant credibility(if not success).
Sorry Detroit, nothing personal.LOL.

You brave soul.
While I don't agree with all of your points (Detriot isn't going anywhere, we are not winning Superbowl with this defense, who gives a rats aass if an athlete lives here or for that matter what hat he wears), more importantly, NE has not won a SB in 4 years (ding, ding). Last year, I would pin the loss on the defense, which is not as good this year and will be worse next year without some help. As I've posted previously, I'm not wanting to trade Brady, but would like to see what picks/players the Pats could get in return. Particularly if its not clear if we are able/willing to franchise Cassel and we don't know Tom's health despite all the reports from the many Dr's on this board.
The defenders of the No-Trade, state that Tom has brought NE three Superbowls. That's partly true, combined with some great defense which outright won the first one against St. Louis and made McNabb toss his cookies in another one. The other theme which is harped on is Cassel not being Brady. Go through all the posts and delete the obvious ones (he's a flash in the pan, never won a big game, etc, etc) and look at it from purely a qb on a team with a great defense and would his team be favored to win a superbowl. I see him improving (regardless of the Pittsburgh game) and becoming one of the better qb's in the NFL. Would Brady as qb and the current defense win next year's superbowl? Probably not. But hey, lets lock this thread, because discussing a possible player trade is absurd and they will "hate their coach".

[AzPatsFan]

Originally Posted by MoLewisrocks

Where did you get that idea? Brady has an ACL reconstruction and MCL repair. Palmer had structural damage to his kneecap on top of that and was back in 6 months and with no ill effects. Culpepper rehabbed in a strip mall parking lot, and his problems don't emanate from his knees. Brady's full recovery was projected for 9 months post surgery. That put him in training camp. The infection added a couple of weeks to the equation. That puts him in the pre season.

Tom Brady plays QB for the NE Patriots for the 2009 season. Kevin O'Connell and either Gutierrez or some minimum salary savvy vet back him up. Just like Cassel did for the last two seasons. Matt Cassel starts somewhere else. Bill isn' going to spend 25% of his cap on one position because we do have needs and 1-53 do matter.

And Culpepper came back in a year and stunk. It took Griese that much time to be effective. They could play sooner but they were NOT themselves, merely a shadow of themselves is what I am saying...

[AzPatsFan]

Originally Posted by Patsrock

I don't even see five "GREAT" games.

2 great games vs NYJ @ Miami

1 good vs Denver

The rest mediocre to bad.

I see you are a tough grader. His merely"good" game agaisnt the Broncos was enough to merit an "AFC Offensive Player of the Week" award...

[Wotan_the_Wanderer]

OK, I've had a bit of wine and I've only read the first two pages, but this is one of the funniest threads ever. And I'm not mocking anyone here.

I'll take the subject seriously if and when Cassel takes the Pats to the SB.

Thanks to the Krafts, Coach, Pioli, the staff and the team.