The Official 'Trade Brady' Debate Thread - Do Not Start Another One

[emoney_33]

Originally Posted by Sivy

Trading brady to keep cassel would be like fireing house, and hiring becker.

+rep lol

10c

[vyrago]

Originally Posted by DaBruinz

Ian - I love this site dearly, but stupid threads like this should be relegated to the Practice Squad.

Ditto. This is embarrassing to read or to have out there.

[j00fek]

brady to philly for mcnabb,samuel,westbrook...2 #1's/...?
frachise cassel send him to thee vikings for 2 #2's and peterson

[AzPatsFan]

In all this either/or discussion, I have yet to hear the most probable situation that is likely to occur.

Tom Brady had a complete knee rebuild after tearing and ACL and MCL, along with subsequent complications. Most doctors and football experience indicates, that such an injury takes 18 months or more to recover from, and be fully productive.

(Some come back sooner like Dante Culpepper and stink up the joint, and endanger their careers.)

Eighteen months from September 2008 is February 2010, when presumably Tom Brady will be fully recovered, and be able to play like Tom Brady, and not some wounded, hobbling, immobile Duck.

So... Who plays QB for the NE Patriots for the 2009 season?

I think that is THE legitimate question to be asked, and the question and answer is what is really being addressed in the Patriots FO and mulled over by BB and SP. Fortunately, the Patriots are in the Cap shape where they can carry both; or could with some tweaking, according to Miquel. It would be tough, but it appears feasible.

The Pats have an extraordinary draft opportunity upcoming. The possibility exists, of completing the talent acquisitions that they need to finish the rebuilding of their Defense. Unlike Y'all, I believe most of the pieces are already in place for the reconstruction of the Defense. But they still need some other talent pieces, too.

They need a star SS, for their rotation, (Moore or Mays); another starting caliber ILB (Laurianitis, Maualuga, but realistically Cushing, Sintim), or two; a CB perhaps (not as clear); and another DE--> OLB conversion candidate. Only a top ten first pick, could produce a DE/LB ready to play like Merrimen, De Ware, or Willie McG etc. but most are second/third round multi-year projects, like, Colvin, AD, Vrable, or Phillips, Porter, Harrison, Woodley etc. We have a couple in that status already in Woods, Crable, and maybe Redd, to go with starters Vrabes and AD. Or they could sign a FA OLB, but likely they will not have the Cap room.

BB usually does not want to use a First rounder on a position switch and I don't blame him.
Good Safeties, CBs, and LBs, future red chippers, can all be obtained in the late first, second, and third rounds, so there is little need for the top ten type picks. Fortunately, we already have the top linemen and super skill players, that are chosen with these premium type picks.

It is also fortunate that the Offense can be almost ignored for a time. But the example of how poorly the interior and right side collapsed, when Neal fell, during the early minutes of the Superbowl, and the subsequent poor results for half a season, surprised the Coaches. In contrast, a seeming miracle happened with Neal's return two weeks ago, and miraculously there was a pocket and Matt Cassel was able to step up into it. Suddenly Cassel blossomed. The Offense sprang to life.

This experience says they need to spend a high pick on an interior O Lineman, for safety's sake. I suspect that is the course of action that the FO will take. Fortunately, they should be able to get a good interior candidate in the late first or second round, too. They don't need him to start immediately, but we need the talent there. (McKay or Luigs) Or they could gamble that no one will get hurt for a year.

I return once again to BB philosophy, He wants a team that is stronger from 1-53, or 61 than anyone else in the league. Other Teams may have more blue chip players; but if he has more red chippers, enough to withstand inevitable injuries, he will win and win big, at the end of the year. When your cap forces you to play scrubs in place of injured blue chip stars. Meanwhile he substitutes red chip for injured red chip, and gets comparatively stronger.

There is no position more important to have a good backup, blue chip or red chip, than QB. For the first time in a long time BB's management of the Cap, may have produced both the luxury, and the necessity, to do just that. Brady will likely not be the Brady of old until 2010, at the earliest. BB ever the realist, will prepare for that 2009 eventuality.

[swheeler23]

How do you know Brady will not be close to 100 percent until 2010? Rivers is doing great,Palmer has other problems other then his knee. History shows Brady will be ready in 2009.

Brady wont be ready till 2010 thats kinda of a stretch don't ya think

[Sivy]

Originally Posted by matt1073

Brady wont be ready till 2010 thats kinda of a stretch don't ya think

Brady will be ready for 2009.

here is whats gonna happen..

there will be reports of brady being hurt, everyone on here will freak out, everyone on jetnation.com will rejoyce. Cassel will be expected to be franchiesd....the patriots will do nothing of the kind, there will be a million threads speculating on why, and a million more saying " I have a feeling its gonna happen tommorow" Then, he will sign with another team, without a peep from BB, Opening day will come Brady will play, and play well, and FINALLY everything in the nfl will go back to normal.

[aluminum seats]

Originally Posted by Sivy

Brady will be ready for 2009.

here is whats gonna happen..

there will be reports of brady being hurt, everyone on here will freak out, everyone on jetnation.com will rejoyce. Cassel will be expected to be franchiesd....the patriots will do nothing of the kind, there will be a million threads speculating on why, and a million more saying " I have a feeling its gonna happen tommorow" Then, he will sign with another team, without a peep from BB, Opening day will come Brady will play, and play well, and FINALLY everything in the nfl will go back to normal.

So the Pats are going to be really stupid about it? They will certainly franchise Cassel rather than just letting him walk and sign with other team.

[patriotsdynasty12189]

You guys are all bugging...

[jeffbiologist]

All emotion aside--
If MC wins the SB I think the obvious choice would be to trade TB. Buy low sell high, emotion be damned, BB can replace anyone. There were several good points in this thread.....we are plenty under the cap both this year and next, now let me get out a fun crystal ball.....

We win the SB, Pioli and McDaniels go to the floundering Detroit franchise. They first negiotiate a move to LA and then a trade for TB including their 2 #1s this year and say a player/pick later. These picks set us up with enough talent to remake the Dynasty which is now effectively DEAD(havent won a SB in 4 years!). We can absorb the cap hit for trading TB, as well as signing not only Cassel but Wilfork and either Mankins/Seymour. The NFL would grease the wheels for the Lions move, TB would be more "at home" in Lala land too.
Dont you have to note that despite his success here that he is not out and around one minute more than he absolutely has to be?? More Larry Bird than say Bobby Orr, he isnt the type of athlete that adopts the city that adopts him. Jim Kelly LIVES in Buffalo, Dan Marino LIVES in Miami, Young and Montana LIVE in Cali, Elway in Denver, I cant see TB being around the way that Grogan has...sorry. I think TB will be OK with that kind of move, his hero Montana did it after all. His future in politics will fit ALOT better behind Arnold S. than any Mass liberals. His son is in CA,etc,etc....

This would be best for Pats fans(winning the SB and getting value in trade).
This would be the best for other NFL teams-the perception of dominance shaken.
And this would be the best for the NFL, TB in LA would get HUGE ratings and instant credibility(if not success).
Sorry Detroit, nothing personal.LOL.