The Official 'Trade Brady' Debate Thread - Do Not Start Another One

[TheRazor]

Originally Posted by Dfresh429

Honestly, what are you babbling about...Tom Brady is the best option at QB for this TEAM (see, I can do it too)...

With Moss and Welker:
Cassel is a middle of the pack QB and 7-4 record
Brady breaks records and 16-0 regular season

Do you forget what Brady did with crap offensive weapons? 2006 ring a bell? AFC Championship game, 18 point lead with Reche Caldwell as the #1...do you think that team even sniffs the playoffs with anyone other than Brady?

You talk about Brady like he is some washed-up over the hill has-been. The guy is 30 freaking years old, coming off the best season a QB has ever had...In what fantasy land is he a weaker option for the TEAM than Cassel?

It's a what if situation:

What if Cassel can win a Superbowl
What if Tom Brady loses a camp Battle to a franchised Matt Cassel in '09

What if... Patriot nation has been plenty wrong before

Tom Brady blew his knee out. I have had knee surgery from Dr. Tom Gill (Patriots Doctor) no less. I will tell all you folks that are not familiar with knee surgery the honest truth. Brady's knee will never be the same again, he will battle flare ups, aches, and pain for the rest of his life.

Washed up, I never said that, damaged goods, absolutely.

Don't get it twisted, I think Brady is one of the greatest ever, but IF Cassel can get this TEAM to a spot, where an uninjured Brady could not last year, there will be offers made and listened to regarding Tom Brady.

[Grizzafted]

This thread is incredible. People opposed to the idea of a trade aren't even discussing it, they're just throwing hissy fits. I haven't heard one rational argument on the other side of the coin here.

[TheRazor]

Originally Posted by Grizzafted

This thread is incredible. People opposed to the idea of a trade aren't even discussing it, they're just throwing hissy fits. I haven't heard one rational argument on the other side of the coin here.

dude, than you have not read the entirety of the thread
the last guy I just responded to made a few good points

[tanked_as_usual]

Originally Posted by Grizzafted

This thread is incredible. People opposed to the idea of a trade aren't even discussing it, they're just throwing hissy fits. I haven't heard one rational argument on the other side of the coin here.

dude........there are certain things that 'nip the discussion in the bud'

- the cap hit for trading brady and the fact that you would still have to produce at least an aaron rodgers type of deal (with at least 20M guaranteed)

- brady is not healthy which will reduce what the pats can effectively get for him

- you have an even better prospect in kevin o'connell on the bench


the bottom line is that you have to ask the question: how does trading brady and signing cassel make the pats a better team than doing what you can do to get what you can for cassel? and put that against the risk........in the end, not trading brady is the 'no-brainer' action that is the obvious right move

[Grizzafted]

Originally Posted by swheeler23

When Cassel takes the Patriots deep into the playoffs or wins a Super Bowl then you can say this. Until he does he has just a few great games.

I don't think this conversation is dependent on them going to the Super Bowl.

I think if Cassell wins one or two playoff games against good teams on the road, the conversation has to start happening seriously. And I think once people got over the shock of the idea, they'd realize it's a smart move.

Matt Cassell is playing well right now, really well. He made some clutch throws the past few weeks. Does anyone really think that's a fluke? If he has a four interception game against the steelers, that really doesn't say anything except that he had a bad game. Everyone has them.

What a lot of you don't really understand, or seem to understand, is that this isn't about comparing Cassell to Brady. He's nowhere near that league. But you need to understand that there is a reason we haven't won the Super Bowl since 2004: We don't have the defense. You need defense to win Super Bowls, or occasionally just get lucky like the Colts did a few years back (and even then that proves the point, the Pats lost that AFC game because they had no defense in the second half).

So that said, the question goes like this:

Is the dropoff from Brady to Cassell larger or smaller than the value added on defense by getting, in effect, three first round picks, two of them in the top ten. You would only send Brady to an NFC team, and only to a team with a very high draft pick and a young defensive rising star that you could grab. At that point, objectively, without any of the attachment to Brady but just as a Patriots fan, you'd have to wonder which results in the better team: Cassell under center with a defense full of under 25-year-old stars, or a 32-year-old Brady fresh off knee surgery and a continuing-to-age defense. I'd love to hear some honest analysis of this from people who don't think trading Brady might actually make some sense.

[Grizzafted]

Originally Posted by tanked_as_usual

- brady is not healthy which will reduce what the pats can effectively get for him

- you have an even better prospect in kevin o'connell on the bench

I don't see it in Kevin O'Connell. And there is zero reason right now to say that he's a "better prospect" than a guy who's winning 70 percent of his NFL games right now. And who with a coin flip and maybe no bad personal foul call could be winning 80-90 percent of his games.

I gotta see the rest of the season, but he looked good on Sunday. Damn good. You don't fluke out and play that well. It wasn't just a sloppy defensive day for Miami, Cassell made some really clutch throws with a lot of touch and had a few great runs.

And Brady might not be 100% but you don't think a team like San Francisco would sell their next two drafts for him, even at 70-90%? This is the kind of thing that saves peoples' jobs.

[swheeler23]

Originally Posted by Grizzafted

I don't think this conversation is dependent on them going to the Super Bowl.

I think if Cassell wins one or two playoff games against good teams on the road, the conversation has to start happening seriously. And I think once people got over the shock of the idea, they'd realize it's a smart move.

Matt Cassell is playing well right now, really well. He made some clutch throws the past few weeks. Does anyone really think that's a fluke? If he has a four interception game against the steelers, that really doesn't say anything except that he had a bad game. Everyone has them.

What a lot of you don't really understand, or seem to understand, is that this isn't about comparing Cassell to Brady. He's nowhere near that league. But you need to understand that there is a reason we haven't won the Super Bowl since 2004: We don't have the defense. You need defense to win Super Bowls, or occasionally just get lucky like the Colts did a few years back (and even then that proves the point, the Pats lost that AFC game because they had no defense in the second half).

So that said, the question goes like this:

Is the dropoff from Brady to Cassell larger or smaller than the value added on defense by getting, in effect, three first round picks, two of them in the top ten. You would only send Brady to an NFC team, and only to a team with a very high draft pick and a young defensive rising star that you could grab. At that point, objectively, without any of the attachment to Brady but just as a Patriots fan, you'd have to wonder which results in the better team: Cassell under center with a defense full of under 25-year-old stars, or a 32-year-old Brady fresh off knee surgery and a continuing-to-age defense. I'd love to hear some honest analysis of this from people who don't think trading Brady might actually make some sense.

First, you have Bradys cap hit. Plus Cassel's salary. Bradys cap hit will still be 6 million if he plays here or not. Where do you get the money for these high first round picks? What team would you trade brady to? Detriot. Screw that. Brady wouldnt go. I would not blame him either. 49ers? They would be an instent playoff team.
Franchise Cassel. Then if Brady is healthy trade him.The Patriots will find away around this.

[MoLewisrocks]

Originally Posted by Grizzafted

I don't think this conversation is dependent on them going to the Super Bowl.

I think if Cassell wins one or two playoff games against good teams on the road, the conversation has to start happening seriously. And I think once people got over the shock of the idea, they'd realize it's a smart move.

Matt Cassell is playing well right now, really well. He made some clutch throws the past few weeks. Does anyone really think that's a fluke? If he has a four interception game against the steelers, that really doesn't say anything except that he had a bad game. Everyone has them.

What a lot of you don't really understand, or seem to understand, is that this isn't about comparing Cassell to Brady. He's nowhere near that league. But you need to understand that there is a reason we haven't won the Super Bowl since 2004: We don't have the defense. You need defense to win Super Bowls, or occasionally just get lucky like the Colts did a few years back (and even then that proves the point, the Pats lost that AFC game because they had no defense in the second half).

So that said, the question goes like this:

Is the dropoff from Brady to Cassell larger or smaller than the value added on defense by getting, in effect, three first round picks, two of them in the top ten. You would only send Brady to an NFC team, and only to a team with a very high draft pick and a young defensive rising star that you could grab. At that point, objectively, without any of the attachment to Brady but just as a Patriots fan, you'd have to wonder which results in the better team: Cassell under center with a defense full of under 25-year-old stars, or a 32-year-old Brady fresh off knee surgery and a continuing-to-age defense. I'd love to hear some honest analysis of this from people who don't think trading Brady might actually make some sense.

Remember Jacksonville last season and their backup turned starter who barely threw a pick last season and resulted in Leftwich being unceremoniously dumped because they'd found a better alternative... After signing him to his starters extension how's that worked out...Brady has one thing Matt can not remotely match...a track record of consistent excellence even in adversity. Brady in fact trumps all comers in that respect, and that is something Bill values and respects above all else - consistency. It is an X's and O's geniuses bread and butter from a player perspective, trumping even talent. Combine the two as Brady has and you have what Bill himself said a couple of weeks ago is a once in a lifetime player. You don't trade that in it's prime for prospects unless you have a coaching deathwish. You flip the guy you can't afford to keep on your roster for those instead. You know, the same guy 99% of people here and in the local media saw nothing in for 3 years just like they will now claim O'Connell can't be projected to replace...

[Grizzafted]

Whats the matter with San Francisco being a playoff team? I don't hate San Francisco. We'd draw them once every four years and maybe in the most hyped Super Bowl of all time (which would be a nightmare I admit).

I dunno. Let's see how Cassell plays the rest of the season and then revisit this in February. Brady supposedly lost like 50 pounds and his knee has been infected. None of us have any idea how bad it really is; for all we know, the Patriots' team doctor don't expect him to play again next season either. If that's the case though, wow, we're in a much better situation than I would have thought in August.

[MoLewisrocks]

Originally Posted by TheRazor

It's a what if situation:

What if Cassel can win a Superbowl
What if Tom Brady loses a camp Battle to a franchised Matt Cassel in '09

What if... Patriot nation has been plenty wrong before

Tom Brady blew his knee out. I have had knee surgery from Dr. Tom Gill (Patriots Doctor) no less. I will tell all you folks that are not familiar with knee surgery the honest truth. Brady's knee will never be the same again, he will battle flare ups, aches, and pain for the rest of his life.

Washed up, I never said that, damaged goods, absolutely.

Don't get it twisted, I think Brady is one of the greatest ever, but IF Cassel can get this TEAM to a spot, where an uninjured Brady could not last year, there will be offers made and listened to regarding Tom Brady.

Maybe that's why Brady went to a West Coast surgeon for his procedure. So, how'd your 24/7 rehab at Gillette go, badly too? LOL

The offers made and listened to will be for Cassel...