The Official 'Trade Brady' Debate Thread - Do Not Start Another One

[KontradictioN]

Shut it down, Ian.

"I'm done with the woods, let's go". -Pineapple Express

[AzPatsFan]

Originally Posted by scout

I'm not sure where your getting an acquisition or two. Obviously, the Pats would have been considerably better with Thomas and a corner which were on IR, but that wasn't happening either. The Pats, were also pretty bad on 3rd down.
The Colts defense was pathetic in 2006. Everyone ran on them, ran over them, ran thru them. Then they jelled for a few games and nobody could run on them. I don't know the data, but I would think that their red zone defense was pretty good during those same games.
Now, if you want to think, that the Pats red zone and 3rd down defense would also jell at the appropriate time, then thats for you to dream.

No, it ALREADY has gelled. Check the scores of the last four games. As for bad weather, you must be one of them AGW Cassandras. Last time I looked, it gets cold and windy, and snowy, EVERY year in December and January. This year was no different.

Would a few better players help? Well, what would you do with 11 draft choices, including 5 in the first three rounds? Draft scouts for Nick Caserio?

Fact is of all the Teams in the playoffs no one had a better mix of Offense and Defense, at 4th and 10th.

[BradyFTW!]

Originally Posted by AzPatsFan

No, it ALREADY has gelled. Check the scores of the last four games. As for bad weather, you must be one of them AGW Cassandras. Last time I looked, it gets cold and windy, and snowy, EVERY year in December and January. This year was no different.

Would a few better players help? Well, what would you do with 11 draft choices, including 5 in the first three rounds? Draft scouts for Nick Caserio?

Fact is of all the Teams in the playoffs no one had a better mix of Offense and Defense, at 4th and 10th.

But statistics don't matter! Statistics lie! Anyone who bases any aspect of their opinion on statistics is a fantasy geek who doesn't know what real football is!

/sarcasm

[BradyFTW!]

Originally Posted by Synovia

Yes, and almost every single one of those accomplishments was a team effort.


Do you really think the 50 TDs last year was because of Tom Brady, and not Randy Moss?

That's not at all what I think. Every accomplishment of every player is a team effort. The point is, you can go ahead and pick your metric, and, whatever it is, Brady belongs in the discussion, at the very least. You want statistics? He has them. You want Super Bowls? He has them. You want intangibles? Listen to his teammates sometime. Listen to Fernando Bryant, who played with him for all of one preseason, say he's in a league of his own.

All I did was ask a simple question, and you haven't answered it. Who's better? Until someone can definitely answer that (Montana and LT aren't bad choices, but you can make a strong case for Brady against either of them), my assertion that Brady's the best of all time isn't outrageous at all. When did it become homerism to acknowledge that we have a historically good QB, and that we should enjoy that rather than arbitrarily decide that he should be traded? In 10 years, most of you people will probably be off the bandwagon anyways, but if you're still around by then, maybe you'll finally appreciate that Brady isn't the kind of guy that you trade under anything short of the most extreme of circumstances (and these circumstances aren't extreme at all- Brady is recovering fine and Cassel is a good, not great QB).

[scout]

Originally Posted by BradyFTW!

That's not at all what I think. Every accomplishment of every player is a team effort. The point is, you can go ahead and pick your metric, and, whatever it is, Brady belongs in the discussion, at the very least. You want statistics? He has them. You want Super Bowls? He has them. You want intangibles? Listen to his teammates sometime. Listen to Fernando Bryant, who played with him for all of one preseason, say he's in a league of his own.

All I did was ask a simple question, and you haven't answered it. Who's better? Until someone can definitely answer that (Montana and LT aren't bad choices, but you can make a strong case for Brady against either of them), my assertion that Brady's the best of all time isn't outrageous at all. When did it become homerism to acknowledge that we have a historically good QB, and that we should enjoy that rather than arbitrarily decide that he should be traded? In 10 years, most of you people will probably be off the bandwagon anyways, but if you're still around by then, maybe you'll finally appreciate that Brady isn't the kind of guy that you trade under anything short of the most extreme of circumstances (and these circumstances aren't extreme at all- Brady is recovering fine and Cassel is a good, not great QB).

Because I differ with your opinion, do not conclude that I am a bandwagon fan.
My reasons for keeping our options open is because I have witness some great Boston teams over the decades. After those teams (Bird/Celtics, Orr/Bruins) won their titles I always had the feeling it wasn't enough, they should have won more. Larry even stated that same sentiment. Heck, if the Patriots do not win another title, numerous people right here will be saying the same thing.
You do not know how Brady's recovery is going based on what you in print.
I don't think anyone is calling Cassel great after his first season.
Hey, you have your opinion, and thats fine. Can we just agree to disagree without throwing barbs.

[Miguel]

Originally Posted by AzPatsFan

I stand corrected. I should have said 28%, not $ 28 million on the CAP. What was the CAP in 2003? I don't recall, but it was well under $75 million; and probably more like $50 or $60 million. I do remember people saying the Clots were over 30% of the CAP in QBs. Don't forget to add in Sorgi's or whoever's pittance too.

Here are the cap limits.

2008 $116,134,000
2007 $109,134,000
2006 $102,000,000
2005 $85,500,000
2004 $80,582,000
2003 $75,007,000

Here are the Colts' adjusted cap numbers
2008 $123,230,115
2007 $111,317,326
2006 $102,560,000
2004 $78,313,449

[ctpatsfan77]

Originally Posted by Miguel

Here are the cap limits.

2008 $116,134,000
2007 $109,134,000
2006 $102,000,000
2005 $85,500,000
2004 $80,582,000
2003 $75,007,000

Here are the Colts' adjusted cap numbers
2008 $123,230,115
2007 $111,317,326
2006 $102,560,000
2004 $78,313,449

So, just to check, doesn't that mean the Colts have a bit of piper-paying to do in 2009?

[Brady-To-Branch]

Brady or Cassel?

Who cares.

If the Pats don't fix their pass defense for 2009 it won't matter.

[ScottieC]

Originally Posted by Brady-To-Branch

Brady or Cassel?

Who cares.

If the Pats don't fix their pass defense for 2009 it won't matter.

Sooooooo, Asante Samuel was the reason for 16-0 and a trip to the Super Bowl?

Ok.

[TruthSeeker]

Originally Posted by ScottieC

1000! Lets end it!

Nah, we're just getting started. It's not even February!