A disclaimer about Cassel's back to back 400 yd games - New England Patriots Forums - PatsFans.com Patriots Fan Messageboard
NEWS
|
FORUM
|
PHOTOS
|
VIDEOS
|
FULL STATS DATABASE
|
PODCAST
|
RUMOR MILL
Get Social With PatsFans.com
Five Thoughts On Tebow
'13 NFL Previews Are In
Tebow at QB? No Way

Go Back   New England Patriots Forums - PatsFans.com Patriots Fan Messageboard > PatsFans.com Forums > PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum
Forgot Password? Join PatsFans.com!
Register Blogs FAQ Members List Calendar Arcade Mark Forums Read Chat Room

WELCOME TO OUR FORUM HERE AT PATSFANS.COM!
ARE YOU NEW HERE? NOT LOGGED IN? PLEASE TAKE A MOMENT TO REGISTER FOR AN ACCOUNT AND LOGIN TO REMOVE THIS WINDOW

Welcome to PatsFans.com. Do you have an account? If not - please take a moment to register for our forum and experience a much smoother experience with fewer ads, along with no longer having to see this notification window. Also learn about how you can receive a free Patriots T-Shirt from the Patriots Official ProShop by CLICKING HERE. Please enjoy your stay here, and Go Pats!

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 11-24-2008, 10:42 AM   #1
Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal
 
BradyManny's Avatar
 

Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 9,304
Default A disclaimer about Cassel's back to back 400 yd games

I do this only to combat the morons who want to trade Brady (who, ironically, are the same folks who wanted to cut Cassel a couple months ago). I don't do this to take anything from Cassel, who has been a hero...

But take the 400 yard passing games with a grain of salt, it was done against 2 of the worst passing defenses in the league:

ESPN - NFL Football Statistics and League Leaders - National Football League

Jets are 26th and Miami is 28th in the league in passing yards allowed. Of course, Cassel made those #s worse by himself, but you get my point. The biggest test comes this weekend against the top passing defense in the league. I think Cassel and McD will pass that test, and we'll probably hear more clamoring for shipping Brady, but in the meantime, curb your enthusiasm.

Oh, and while you're all there on that stat page, take a look that the Patriots much maligned passing defense is far better than Miami or NYJ at 18th in the league.

Last edited by BradyManny; 11-24-2008 at 10:43 AM..
BradyManny is offline  
FEATURED ADVERTISEMENT
DONATE TO PATSFANS.COM
RECEIVE A FREE PATS T-SHIRT AND SAVE 15% OFF WHEN YOU BUY FROM THE OFFICIAL PROSHOP!

Free T-Shirt & Save 15% Off!
Like Our Site? Please help support our site and server costs by DONATING TO PATSFANS.COM and receive a FREE PATRIOTS T-SHIRT and SAVE 15% off EVERY purchase you make from PatriotsProShop.com. You'll also receive added benefits to your account
including Removing All Ads During Your Experience Here At Our Forum.

NEEDED YEARLY SITE DONATIONS: 345 | CURRENT # OF SUBSCRIBED SUPPORTERS: 98

Updated 07/08/11

Help Us Reach Our Goal!

Old 11-24-2008, 10:46 AM   #2
Third String But Playing on Special Teams
 
BlitzFritz's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Section 239, West Corner Endzone
Posts: 717
My Mood: Relaxed
Default Re: A disclaimer about Cassel's back to back 400 yd games

[i have not seen a single post where anyone WANTS to trade Brady.
i have seen some posts suggesting it as a topic of discussion.]

anyway, good pt about Cassel.
hes not hte second coming (yet) but he is better than anyone ever thought he would be. and hes improving
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

"If you counted out the Patriots, you just don't get it." Adam Schein, September 2008

“We are building a big, strong, fast, smart, tough and disciplined football team that. consistently competes for championships.” Guess who.
BlitzFritz is offline  
Old 11-24-2008, 10:48 AM   #3
B.O. = Fugazi
 
BelichickFan's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 30,560
Send a message via AIM to BelichickFan
Default Re: A disclaimer about Cassel's back to back 400 yd games

They aren't great pass defenses, they're ranked 19th and 21st in passer rating allowed.

But still :

Jets defense allows 87.7 passer rating, Cassel had a 103.4.
Dolphins defense allows 89.9 passer rating, Cassel had a 114.0.

Pittsburgh allows a 71.1, we'll see what happens.
BelichickFan is offline  
Old 11-24-2008, 10:52 AM   #4
All Pro Poster
 
upstater1's Avatar
 

Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 11,799
Default Re: A disclaimer about Cassel's back to back 400 yd games

That's a phony stat.

The Jets are on a big roll. You will give up passing yards if you're playing from in front, especially with Mangini as coach because he plays prevent with 3 score leads.

The Patriots and the Titans were not running the ball in the second half against the Jets.

what does that tell you?
upstater1 is offline  
Old 11-24-2008, 10:55 AM   #5
Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal
 
BradyManny's Avatar
 

Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 9,304
Default Re: A disclaimer about Cassel's back to back 400 yd games

Quote:
Originally Posted by upstater1 View Post
That's a phony stat.

The Jets are on a big roll. You will give up passing yards if you're playing from in front, especially with Mangini as coach because he plays prevent with 3 score leads.

The Patriots and the Titans were not running the ball in the second half against the Jets.

what does that tell you?
It tells me the Jets have a suspect pass defense that can't stop the Pats or the Titans when they know we're running. The Jets have a great run defense, but I don't think their pass defense scares anyone.
BradyManny is offline  
Old 11-24-2008, 10:56 AM   #6
Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal
 
BradyManny's Avatar
 

Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 9,304
Default Re: A disclaimer about Cassel's back to back 400 yd games

Quote:
Originally Posted by BelichickFan View Post
They aren't great pass defenses, they're ranked 19th and 21st in passer rating allowed.

But still :

Jets defense allows 87.7 passer rating, Cassel had a 103.4.
Dolphins defense allows 89.9 passer rating, Cassel had a 114.0.

Pittsburgh allows a 71.1, we'll see what happens.
Cassel has played great, I'm not trying to argue that. I'm just trying to frame his performance with some perspective when you have about 1 out of 5 posts on here right now contemplating trading Brady.
BradyManny is offline  
Old 11-24-2008, 10:58 AM   #7
Second Team and Threatening Starter's Job
 

Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 1,088
Default Re: A disclaimer about Cassel's back to back 400 yd games

Seattle has the 31st ranked passing defense right now so we may see some more fireworks from Cassel in a couple weeks.
AStack75 is offline  
Old 11-24-2008, 10:59 AM   #8
PatsFans.com Supporter
 
ctpatsfan77's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Fairfield County, CT
Posts: 17,684
My Mood: Grumpy
Default Re: A disclaimer about Cassel's back to back 400 yd games

Quote:
Originally Posted by BradyManny2344 View Post
It tells me the Jets have a suspect pass defense that can't stop the Pats or the Titans when they know we're running. The Jets have a great run defense, but I don't think their pass defense scares anyone.
This is what McDaniels did with the vaunted Vikings D in '06. . . . Their pass D was a FAIL, and the Patriots utterly embarrassed them.
__________________
"Momentum was quickly snatched away by New England, who once again proved that any Patriot, at any moment, can make a play." —Inside the NFL, Packers v. Patriots

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
ctpatsfan77 is online now  
Old 11-24-2008, 11:00 AM   #9
Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal
 
BradyManny's Avatar
 

Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 9,304
Default Re: A disclaimer about Cassel's back to back 400 yd games

Quote:
Originally Posted by ctpatsfan77 View Post
This is what McDaniels did with the vaunted Vikings D in '06. . . . Their pass D was a FAIL, and the Patriots utterly embarrassed them.
Exactly, McD doesn't even both trying to run against teams with good run Ds and bad pass Ds. He just exploits them. Kind of like when Brady dropped 41 points on this Miami team in 30 minutes last season.
BradyManny is offline  
Old 11-24-2008, 11:03 AM   #10
Third String But Playing on Special Teams
 
CheerforTom's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 919
Default Re: A disclaimer about Cassel's back to back 400 yd games

Quote:
Originally Posted by BradyManny2344 View Post
Oh, and while you're all there on that stat page, take a look that the Patriots much maligned passing defense is far better than Miami or NYJ at 18th in the league.
A disclaimer about that stat: the only reason that's the case is because of the start of the season and the ability of Pats' offense to hold the ball forever and keep the opposing offense off the field. Right now we are as bad defending the pass as any team in the league. It needs to be fixed quickly.
CheerforTom is offline  
Closed Thread

Bookmarks

Sponsored Links



Thread Tools
Display Modes


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
hopefully, the pats run game thread to end all pats run game threads eom PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum 5 12-08-2007 01:42 AM
Simulation of todays game on WhatIfSports... SeanBruschi54 PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum 5 01-21-2007 11:44 AM
OT 2007 Opponents Finalized Warren94 PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum 21 12-27-2006 04:32 AM
Please no more power running formation. MrBigglesWorth PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum 27 12-24-2006 07:52 PM
Zero pass interference calls against Indy this year?!?!? oldrover PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum 15 12-22-2005 10:22 AM



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:20 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2013, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2

© Copyright 2000-2012. PatsFans.com Is a Partner of USA TODAY Sports Digital Properties.
The opinions posted in this forum do not necessarily reflect the opinions of our staff at PatsFans.com or USA Today.
We are not affiliated with the New England Patriots™ or the NFL™. The Photo Used In the header was taken by Ian Logue.

This site is owned and operated by I&K Internet Design Enterprises, LLC