JAYHAWKS34

Whatever…….. all the more reason to destroy them

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alamo

LOL. You vehemently disagreed with my statement that head-to-head sometimes doesn't matter, then go on to say "unless the teams didn't play one another or the Head to head results in a tie." Well guess what, those two circumstances are exactly why said in the first place that it doesn't always matter!

And you tell *me* to read the tiebreaking rules? A clue: the next tiebreaker after head-to-head is never record against common opponents.

Last week there was a three way tie, but Buffalo and the Pats hadn't played each other yet, so on to the next tiebreaker, "2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division." Which the Jets would win with 2-1 record compared to 1-1 for the Patriots. Voila!

DaBruinz

You really should remember what you post:

Your quote does NOT equate to teams being TIED in head to head or the teams not having played. As I said, head to head always matters.


Yes, I did tell you to read the tiebreaking rules. And, while I got the 2nd and 3rd mixed up, what you fail to understand is that head to head always matters.

NFL Tie-Breaking Procedures

So while the Pats and Bills hadn't played, it doesn't matter. The fact is that the Pats winning % was HIGHER than either of the Bills or the Jets in those games. You don't automatically skip to number two.

alamo

That's not definitively clear. The reason it's not clear is the rule doesn't explicitly address head-to-head games when the teams in a three way tie haven't all played each other.

But how can you possibly apply a tiebreaker step labelled "head to head" to decide between teams which haven't all played each other? You can't, so you skip to number two.

By the way, suppose this happens at the end of the season:

Patriots, Jets and Dolphins tie for first. Patriots swept Jets, Jets swept Dolphins, Dolphins swept Patriots. Patriots and Dolphins each split with the Bills, but the Jets swept the Bills, and thus by the 2nd tiebreaker are division champions! Even though the Patriots and Jets finished with the same record and the Patriots swept the Jets.

DaBruinz

You really are insisteing on being obtuse here. Its head to head WIN %. The Pats had played the Jets and had WON. So they were at 1.000%. The Jets had played the Bills and the Pats. They were 1-1. That put them at .500%. The Bills were 0-1. That put them at 0.00%. Its CLEAR CUT.

Hooray for ALAMO. He found the absolute most IMPROBABLE scenario that could happen. YEAH FOR YOU. But, guess what. Head to head still mattered. Because it determined that they needed to go to the 2nd tie breaker.

Now, are you done being argumentative? Do you feel proud that you found the one scenario where the Patriots could sweep the Jets and still lose the division even if they had a tied record?

alamo

I disagree. The difficulty is because at the end of the season, it IS clear cut because "head to head" within a division will always mean everyone has played each other. But that's simply not true in-season, and for guidance I look to the three-team wildcard tiebreaking rules, which explicitly state they don't apply unless one team has beaten both others.

Again, I keep coming back to: how can a team lose a tiebreaker labelled "head to head" to a team it hasn't played? You obviously think it can. I don't. But that's why I said many messages ago that you can build a justifiable case either way, because it hinges on a technicality the rules never considered.

JSn

So here's the thing: the season isn't over and won't end today. So it's irrelevant. And Dumb.

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Bostonian1962

Is THAT Mangini???? Just kidding.