MoLewisrocks

Good thing for Carson Palmer you're not a Bungles fan or he'd be applying at UPS too. Because he somehow sits below Cassel on your particular points of interest, along with multi pro bowlers Marc Bulger and Matt Hasselbeck and the undefeated Titans Kerry Collins and 2007 pro bowler Derek Anderson (who like Palmer has some pretty prolific weapons) and the immortal Joe Flacco...

The problem with you clowns is it's not about being objective it's about being right. You would rather he fail and this team lose so down the road you can crow about how you predicted their demise all along. Only in NE does that type of negativity classify itself as being a fan...

emoney_33

That analogy is horrible, more like having a young and unknown jockey riding a powerful horse. You see the fat guy can't lose weight during the race, Cassel can (and has been) improve during his race this year

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Patjew

Props to me: I sniffed this out as soon as I saw "VCR".

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TheGodInAGreyHoodie

Yeah, that was a hint, instead of "tivo." Board doesn't go back that far, but you if it did you would find a post almost word for word.

fumbrunner

Are you kidding me? I would rather the team lose? Please, spare your opinions about me how you want to "classify" me. I hope he proves me wrong, I hope the win the SB. From what I have seen so far, I just dont see it.

So, what you are say then is you are completely happy with Cassel's play up until now? I certainly wasnt expecting him to step in and be Brady. But I did expect him to manage this team to be more competitive than it has been against Miami and SD. funny, I was reading the gameday thread and everyone seemed to agree about Cassel's performance (along with the O line, secondary, etc). But you and your ilk seem to not want to be the least bit objective.

Patslifer

Love the homers running into this thread with their panties all in a bunch, ready to defend their boy Cassel till the death. Cassel is HORRID, and he will NEVER be a good NFL QB.

It's funny how far people will go to defend some JAG qb on the web!

Deus Irae

Someone who's already on record as having given up the season and is now spending his time making negative post after negative post about the team he purports to be a fan of should probably not be making any argument about "objective".

Furthermore, your argument by way of using Miami and SD is incomplete and unfair, to say the least. Which of those games was the one that Cassel should have made the big defensive play to keep things close? Should he have been tackling Ronnie Brown or breaking up the passes of Rivers?

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fumbrunner

As I said previously, the two options were writing off the season or being cautiously optimistic. What have you seen so far, besides maybe the Jets game where you can honestly say one can be cautiously optimistic. Put me in the camp of "hope for the best". Unfortunately, that wasnt one of the options.

Now, to your point on the defensive plays. There is no question that the defense played poorly in both games. The run defense was not good against Miami and the pass defense was bad against SD. We all saw that. But where is the offense to keep things close? Its not there. Where are the sustained drives to give the defense fresh or to keep the other team's offense off the field? How about the chances we have had in the red zone? Or turning point plays like underthrowing Moss on that deep ball last game?

And you still didn't answer my question. did you not expect more out of Cassel, given his years in the system?

emoney_33

I think this is the crux of your problem. He has been in the system for 3+ years but he has had barely any time with the first string team prior to Brady's injury. He also hasn't started a game since High School. For you to expect him to play much better is a little much. I expect him to get better, I expect him to improve (along with the rest of the team especially the OL).

If the Patriots came into camp this year without Brady, and Cassel knowing he was the starter, my expectations would be somewhat higher. It's a much different situation being thrown in there after backing up a HOF in his prime. If you expect him to be playing well by the time playoffs come along, that is fair, I expect so too.

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fumbrunner

Well I agree with that. i was on record after the Jets game that I was happy with Cassel's play. He has sorta treaded water since then. Lets hope he gets better as the season progresses.