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Old 10-15-2008, 09:47 AM   #11
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Yeah, I made a comment in the game day thread about this - if Cassel had as much time in the pocket as Rivers (or say, ANY QB we've faced so far), he'd look like a stud.
I agree with you (well, Stud might be a reach, but...) though it seems like a lot of fans struggle to see anyone playing if they don't have the ball.
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I agree with you (well, Stud might be a reach, but...) though it seems like a lot of fans struggle to see anyone playing if they don't have the ball.
There are other players on the field? Who knew?
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Not most of these folks.
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I agree with you (well, Stud might be a reach, but...) though it seems like a lot of fans struggle to see anyone playing if they don't have the ball.
yeah, 'stud' was a bit of artistic 'expression'. He'd look pretty good though, I'd bet.

I think he's running scared now, and with his average to below average pocket sense, having 2 seconds makes things real bad. So he even *thinks* he senses pressure, he pulls the ball down, and scrambles around.
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So he even *thinks* he senses pressure, he pulls the ball down, and scrambles around.
I'd be just a wee bit more critical of it wasn't that he "doesn't" have to think about feeling pressure - he's been sensing it the old fashioned way.
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Seriously people, geting shelled has ruined QBs. Jim Plunkett, a talented QB, required a couple years to recover from the severe blasting he took as a Pats QB. The chaotic play by the OL is just another reason BB does NOT want to put The Mick in there at QB. O'Connell would be at risk of developing some early bad habits dealing with situations 'beyond his pay grade'. Let Cassel who DOES know the system deal with the protection issues. BB knows that Cassel is likely gone next season and that O'C is the potential 2009 backup. BB is protecting the franchise's investment in O'C as long as he's able.
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Seriously people, geting shelled has ruined QBs. Jim Plunkett, a talented QB, required a couple years to recover from the severe blasting he took as a Pats QB. The chaotic play by the OL is just another reason BB does NOT want to put The Mick in there at QB. O'Connell would be at risk of developing some early bad habits dealing with situations 'beyond his pay grade'. Let Cassel who DOES know the system deal with the protection issues. BB knows that Cassel is likely gone next season and that O'C is the potential 2009 backup. BB is protecting the franchise's investment in O'C as long as he's able.
O'Callaghan at QB? With his shoulder problems? Though "Probable - Shoulder" would put him in good company. Has he got the feet to drop back and set up in the pocket though?
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So given that the interior is the soft underbelly of the OL, what is the best way to compensate for that? My first thought is to have plays such as having the QB roll out, or a toss out to the RB, and other plays that quickly get the ball away from the middle of the line. What do you guys think?
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Just to say "thank you" for this thread.

Unoriginal, I think I understand pretty much everything that you're saying (and it checks with my limited visual impressions) but would you mind defining "7" and "9" technique?
The technique system is a way to describe how a defensive lineman positions himself relative to the offensive line before the snap. There are other systems, such as the "shade" system, that describe the same thing. The gap system describes line alignments relative to gaps between offensive linemen, not on the linemen themselves.

The tech system varies highly from defensive system to defensive system. The general rules of thumb are that even numbers usually, but not always, describe head-up alignments, thus:

0 tech = head-up on center
2 tech = head-up on guard
6 tech = head-up on tackle
8 tech = head-up on end

The common ones that tend to keep the same meaning from system to system:

1 tech = outside shoulder of center, or in the A gap
3 tech = outside shoulder of guard
7 tech = outside shoulder of tackle
9 tech = outside shoulder of end

4 and 5 tech tend to change the most between systems, depending on the base front (4-3, 3-4, 3-3, 5-2 etc.) and where the coaching staff feels the need to describe alignments most. Consequently they are often out of order numerically with the other techniques. They often are

4 tech = inside shoulder of guard
5 tech = inside shoulder of tackle

Some teams might switch 4 and 6 tech, or 5 and 6 tech, etc. But the low and highs are fairly consistent. The final exception is some teams will replace 0 tech (head-up on center) with 2 tech and number head-up alignments accordingly.

Long post explaining that 7 and 9 tech almost always mean "outside shoulder of tackle" and "outside shoulder of end." Teams that line up in these techs on both sides of the line are usually trying to spread the offensive line out and have their linebackers aggressively fill and run interior blitzes.

Note that a defensive end can still line up in 9 tech even if there is no tight end on that side. They simply position themselves on the outside shoulder of a "phantom" tight end. Speed rushers will often do this on passing downs to try to get an advantage on turning the corner on slower offensive tackles. OTs will often false start in this situation because they'll be trying to time their own snap count so they can get back into their pass drops.

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