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Va_Pats_Fan · 10-28-2008, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by JSn

Cassel will probably be a top 5 AVAILABLE QB come free agency.

Now there's an argument to win this debate. He will probably be top 5 (and in case he's not, you've left yourself some wiggle room).

way to stand by those convictions.

JSn · 10-28-2008, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Va_Pats_Fan

Now there's an argument to win this debate. He will probably be top 5 (and in case he's not, you've left yourself some wiggle room).

way to stand by those convictions.

I didn't mean to leave wiggle room. I was just projecting his upward swing over 12 more games.

Va_Pats_Fan · 10-28-2008, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by JSn

I didn't mean to leave wiggle room. I was just projecting his upward swing over 12 more games.

At least you're projecting an upswing

***MoLewisrocks*** · 10-28-2008, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Truck

If I recall, Asante at that time was the second,third,fourth, or fifth best cb depending on who you talk to. I don't think Cassell will be cracking the top 10 for QBs by the end of the year.

For the cost of franchising him, he'd sign 4 years at that same price tag.

Maybe we should franchise Kevin Faulk too cause he's just as valuable, if not more, than Cassel

No, actually that was before he started accumulating picks - back when he wasn't worth a bag of used balls... Asante's breakout season was 2006. He was tagged for 2007. In 2005 you couldn't give him away.

***MoLewisrocks*** · 10-28-2008, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by TruthSeeker

OK, one more time. I complete agree with you; no team is going to trade for Cassel to pay him $14M guaranteed for 1 year. In fact, I think everyone agrees with this. That is why we don't think it's going to happen.

As far as someone guaranteeing Cassel millions more and the Patriots taking the gigantic risk of franchising Cassel solely on the hopes that someone else wants to throw tons of money at Cassel, that's your fantasy.

I think we see eye to eye now.

Derek Anderson got $14M guaranteed from Cleveland on just a 3 year extension after landing their starting job in week 2 of 2007 - a year he started as the 3rd QB on the staff...

Matt Schaub had never won a game when traded to Houston for a swap of firsts and 2 second round picks. They signed him to a 6 year $48M contract with $7M guaranteed, $20M in the first 3 seasons and a $10M option bonus if they trigger the last 3 years of his deal...

swheeler23 · 10-28-2008, 08:30 PM

I do not think Cassel will comand alot as a free agent unless he takes the Patriots deep into the playoffs. Most teams will think Cassel wins because the great players around him.

Va_Pats_Fan · 10-28-2008, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by MoLewisrocks

Derek Anderson got $14M guaranteed from Cleveland on just a 3 year extension after landing their starting job in week 2 of 2007 - a year he started as the 3rd QB on the staff...

Matt Schaub had never won a game when traded to Houston for a swap of firsts and 2 second round picks. They signed him to a 6 year $48M contract with $7M guaranteed, $20M in the first 3 seasons and a $10M option bonus if the trigger the last 3 years of his deal...

Those were the effects of the need of the teams at the time. Like they say when you watch those commercials, past performance is no guarantee of future gains.

You cannot predict the market, yet your whole theory is predicated on one being there. What if there looks like there is one, we franchise, he signs, and the market fizzles out?

Then what?

***MoLewisrocks*** · 10-28-2008, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Va_Pats_Fan

Those were the effects of the need of the teams at the time. Like they say when you watch those commercials, past performance is no guarantee of future gains.

You cannot predict the market, yet your whole theory is predicated on one being there. What if there looks like there is one, we franchise, he signs, and the market fizzles out?

Then what?

If you cannot predict the QB market in the present day NFL you don't grasp the game.

Va_Pats_Fan · 10-28-2008, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by MoLewisrocks

If you cannot predict the QB market in the present day NFL you don't grasp the game.

Pretending you can is one of the most arrogant things I have ever heard. At least I know enough to know what I don't know. You obviously don't.

Answer my question. What happens if he's franchised, and the market collapses?

You continually avoid that scenario, cause it really throws a hole in your position.

***MoLewisrocks*** · 10-28-2008, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Va_Pats_Fan

Pretending you can is one of the most arrogant things I have ever heard. At least I know enough to know what I don't know. You obviously don't.

Answer my question. What happens if he's franchised, and the market collapses?

You continually avoid that scenario, cause it really throws a hole in your position.

Why would the market collapse...this isn't Wall Street. 32 teams need viable starters. Barely more than half presently do and several of them are journeymen retreads approaching AARP status. The 2009 draft projects as shallow at the position let alone any projected starters. Honestly, get over yourself.

I have said all along that any tag and trade would be dependent on Belioli's belief in their ability to assess the market. It's arrogant to intimate they are incapable of doing that since it's a crucial part of their jobs to have a thorough grasp of it.