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***Deus Irae*** · 08-31-2008, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Sicilian

Again, these are hardly team shattering moves, and are by NO MEANS permanent. Why not sign a guy to a no risk situation with the knowledge you can simply drop him if something better comes along? Then, if something better DOESN'T come along, through no fault of the Pats (sometimes, believe it or not, you just can't get every ideal guy you want), you have SOMETHING, as opposed to scrambling for NOTHING.

Seriously, am I the only one who somehow isn't panicked or offended by these non-issues?

Dude, the moves suck.

Sicilian · 08-31-2008, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Zeke_Mowatt

Nope, but that doesn't mean many of us can't be very surprised by some of the names that are being cut, and some of the Who?s that are being signed. Doesn't necessarily mean panic, just surprise, curiosity, and the inevitable second guessing that is human/fan nature.

My comment was really aimed at people like you, more the ragin alcoholics who seem inclined to drink when the Pats sign some bum they've never heard of to be likely a temporary replacement for the 52nd and 53rd man

Sicilian · 08-31-2008, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Deus Irae

Dude, the moves suck.

If you're depending on these people as more than a roster spot warmer, then yes, I agree. I see no reason to think these guys are long term solutions. And by long term I mean more than 2-3 weeks.

***Leave No Doubt*** · 08-31-2008, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Sicilian

Again, these are hardly team shattering moves, and are by NO MEANS permanent. Why not sign a guy to a no risk situation with the knowledge you can simply drop him if something better comes along? Then, if something better DOESN'T come along, through no fault of the Pats (sometimes, believe it or not, you just can't get every ideal guy you want), you have SOMETHING, as opposed to scrambling for NOTHING.

Seriously, am I the only one who somehow isn't panicked or offended by these non-issues?

I'm not panicked or offended at all, but some of the cuts have made it a rather interesting day, so I think people here are just trying to make sense of it all.

***Deus Irae*** · 08-31-2008, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Sicilian

If you're depending on these people as more than a roster spot warmer, then yes, I agree. I see no reason to think these guys are long term solutions. And by long term I mean more than 2-3 weeks.

Anything more than 2-3 nanoseconds is a mistake.

Sicilian · 08-31-2008, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Deus Irae

Anything more than 2-3 nanoseconds is a mistake.

So, let's say god forbid the other players they want either A) are claimed ahead of them or B) are free agents that don't want to play here (there are a few of them you know). You'd rather go into the season with empty spots?

Conversely, if people we want more are available and end up in our hands, these guys are easy to cut loose without regret.

There is ZERO risk with these moves, especially given they likely won't be on the active roster even for the games they stick around for.

Curiosity is one thing, but people are acting like BB and Pioli have gone senile. It's an overreaction to say the very least.

Zeke_Mowatt · 08-31-2008, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Deus Irae

Dude, the moves suck.

That's an awfully definitive statement for someone who chooses their words so carefully (usually)...so far, those released were not contributors to 16-0, nor had they shown anything in PS to suggest they were serious replacements for losses in 16-0 (or upgrades, which is really what you have to hope for). Losing Lynch means maybe they think the versatility of Mayo means we didn't need him. Or maybe they like Slater. Who knows. Maybe it's a mistake. Maybe he's signed before week 2 and it's just a financial issue. Maybe K. Washington and Slater and Ventrone make us forget about CJack. I know Slater on KR made me forget him. And watching PS, which I will 100% grant is no real gauge, I thought Ventrone in the slot showed enough promise that he could possibly be put in as a #4. And finally in the Gints game, the fact that Washington was in as #4 suggests that maybe, in practice, the coaches saw enough that they felt his versatility (let's face it, CJack didn't excel in ST on any level that we saw) outweighed the very small difference in what they saw in their skills on offense. Ultimately, all 3 of the guys we kept show the versatility to at least play 2 ways, and some 3 ways, whereas CJack had only really showed flashes 1 way...while I was surprised, I can't say I'm disappointed.

spacecrime · 08-31-2008, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Sicilian

Again, these are hardly team shattering moves, and are by NO MEANS permanent. Why not sign a guy to a no risk situation with the knowledge you can simply drop him if something better comes along? Then, if something better DOESN'T come along, through no fault of the Pats (sometimes, believe it or not, you just can't get every ideal guy you want), you have SOMETHING, as opposed to scrambling for NOTHING.

Seriously, am I the only one who somehow isn't panicked or offended by these non-issues?

I'm not panicked and I have no issue with any of the changes, but they aren't risk free. The price of signing a guy is that you have to cut someone else. If he doesn't work out and you "simply drop him" you may or may not be albe to get back the guy you cut to have a look at the guy who didn't work out.

If this guy doesn't work out, and Harrison gets his knee blown out in game 1 and Lynch has already been signed, this move would not only NOT be risk free, it would be a catastrophe.

It's a gamble. A good gamble, but still a gamble, and deinately not risk free.

Zeke_Mowatt · 08-31-2008, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Sicilian

My comment was[n't?] really aimed at people like you, more the ragin alcoholics who seem inclined to drink when the Pats sign some bum they've never heard of to be likely a temporary replacement for the 52nd and 53rd man

Hey, I'm as ragin an alcoholic as you'll find, hell I'll drink to anything. Doesn't mean we should panic on the signing or releasing of some guys who probably won't even be active for 13-16 games this year

spacecrime · 08-31-2008, 03:44 PM

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It's an overreaction to say the very least.

It's what we do here, and we do it better than any other fan base in the world.