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Old 08-24-2008, 08:05 PM   #1
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I used the word quandry,because this is not a question of talent,but unbalanced numbers at one ILB position.

For the sake of simplicity,let's identify the linebackers by LEFT-OLB,ILB and Right-OLB,ILB.

So,given this premise the proj.starters are:

LOLB-Vrabel ROLB-Thomas
LILB-Mayo RILB-Bruschi

The subs,before any cuts are:
Woods-OLB
Crable-OLB
Alexander-ILB
Hobson-ILB
Guyton-ILB
Redd-ILB

I'm not counting Izzo,because he's a LB in name only.
6 of these players could play Left-ILB:
Mayo,Vrabel,Thomas,Bruschi,Crable,Woods
5 could play RIGHT-ILB:
Bruschi,Hobson,Alexander,Guyton,Redd

The imbalance I see is at RILB.There isn't much behind Tedy and this is the reason for the Tank,Harrison,Lynch hybrid position.

You can pick up Seau,but he and Tedy are basically the same player.When either of these 2 were in you would still need the hybrid of Harrison/Lynch.

My solution is this:Cut Alexander and Hobson.They just don't bring the athleticism and intelligence needed at RILB.

Keep Guyton at RILB for his speed,while keeping Seau on speed-dial.

Pierre Woods,now becomes the x-factor at RILB.Even though he would be abnormally tall for this position,his speed and tackling ability would fit,IMO.

Harrison and Lynch are what make Woods and Guyton work at RILB.That'e the way I see it.
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Old 08-24-2008, 08:15 PM   #2
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I think we have a lot of bodies but not much depth. If any of the starters goes down there is a serious dropoff. Signing Seau helps at ILB but at OLB neither Woods or Crable are good enough to be starters.
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The analysis is fine, but IMHO your solution is not. You correctly state that the decision is about two backups for Bruschi. And you correctly state the options as Hobson, Seau, Alexander, Guyton and Redd.

You decide to keep Guyton and Redd. I would keep Seau (or perhaps Hobson) and Alexander. I agree that Hobson has not yet fit in. I'm fine with Seau instead. My choices of Seau and Alexander give us three RILB's with experience with the system, experience in the NFL and NFL talent.

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I used the word quandry,because this is not a question of talent,but unbalanced numbers at one ILB position.

For the sake of simplicity,let's identify the linebackers by LEFT-OLB,ILB and Right-OLB,ILB.

So,given this premise the proj.starters are:

LOLB-Vrabel ROLB-Thomas
LILB-Mayo RILB-Bruschi

The subs,before any cuts are:
Woods-OLB
Crable-OLB
Alexander-ILB
Hobson-ILB
Guyton-ILB
Redd-ILB

I'm not counting Izzo,because he's a LB in name only.
6 of these players could play Left-ILB:
Mayo,Vrabel,Thomas,Bruschi,Crable,Woods
5 could play RIGHT-ILB:
Bruschi,Hobson,Alexander,Guyton,Redd

The imbalance I see is at RILB.There isn't much behind Tedy and this is the reason for the Tank,Harrison,Lynch hybrid position.

You can pick up Seau,but he and Tedy are basically the same player.When either of these 2 were in you would still need the hybrid of Harrison/Lynch.

My solution is this:Cut Alexander and Hobson.They just don't bring the athleticism and intelligence needed at RILB.

Keep Guyton at RILB for his speed,while keeping Seau on speed-dial.

Pierre Woods,now becomes the x-factor at RILB.Even though he would be abnormally tall for this position,his speed and tackling ability would fit,IMO.

Harrison and Lynch are what make Woods and Guyton work at RILB.That'e the way I see it.
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Every year we get gaga over linebackers with the hope that someone will emerge but in the end we just have practice squad players or special teams backups. Who was it last year? Oscar Lua. There are a bunch of others I just can't remember. Just Rogers. The kid out of UNLV.
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Alexander and Hobson might as well have applied for witness protection they have have been so hard to notice. Guyton has had impact inside, he sticks I think to the very last cuts, then it's a matter of injuries...

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The analysis is fine, but IMHO your solution is not. You correctly state that the decision is about two backups for Bruschi. And you correctly state the options as Hobson, Seau, Alexander, Guyton and Redd.

You decide to keep Guyton and Redd. I would keep Seau (or perhaps Hobson) and Alexander. I agree that Hobson has not yet fit in. I'm fine with Seau instead. My choices of Seau and Alexander give us three RILB's with experience with the system, experience in the NFL and NFL talent.
I see what your saying,but my contention is that the hybrid position is the experienced back-up.This makes Hobson and Alexander superflous.

BB is not just experimenting with this hybrid position,he has a plan to make this into an 3rd ILB.Nothing else makes sense to me.

This is essentially a 3-5-3 defense,it's innovative and I've never seen anyone use it.By using the hybrid,he's trading size for speed and this is what makes Hobson and alexander superflous.

It indicates to me,mush more interior blitzing.The 3-4 is OLB blitzing,the 3-5-3 is from anywhere,without having to use CB's.
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Don't be surprised to see Hobson stick. To learn how to play ILB in a BB def. must be incredibly complex. The only one I can think of that stepped in right away was A. Thomas but he also had a lot of experience inside in a 3-4 in Baltimore. He is a vet. and may take some time learning the role. But what do I know, he could be cut 5 minutes ago.
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I see what your saying,but my contention is that the hybrid position is the experienced back-up.This makes Hobson and Alexander superflous.

BB is not just experimenting with this hybrid position,he has a plan to make this into an 3rd ILB.Nothing else makes sense to me.

This is essentially a 3-5-3 defense,it's innovative and I've never seen anyone use it.By using the hybrid,he's trading size for speed and this is what makes Hobson and alexander superflous.

It indicates to me,mush more interior blitzing.The 3-4 is OLB blitzing,the 3-5-3 is from anywhere,without having to use CB's.
Yeah, I remember the conjecture when Tank went down that the "experiment" was over. Obviously not and half the board guessed right about Lynch (for a change). He might not have as much obvious upside as Tank, but you can bet he won't miss a lot of tackles and I'd even chalk him up for a few injuries (not that anyone's hoping that goes down).

Since they filled that need immediately, it seems like BB, DP, PJ, MP and DC walked into 2008 with a plan and their sticking to it.

When I think of it that way, it ALMOST makes sense that the D is playing soft in the pre-season to leave other teams spooked when they steamroll KC and NY.Call me foolish, but I somehow don't think we've seen a whiff of what we're going to get on defense.

3-5-3... might be time to whip up a custom playbook on Madden and see what that looks like. Still, seems like a special package (though maybe a common one this year). Do you think it's a formation type that can morph into other more common D's at the line?

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Yeah, I remember the conjecture when Tank went down that the "experiment" was over. Obviously not and half the board guessed right about Lynch (for a change). He might not have as much obvious upside as Tank, but you can bet he won't miss a lot of tackles and I'd even chalk him up for a few injuries (not that anyone's hoping that goes down).

Since they filled that need immediately, it seems like BB, DP, PJ, MP and DC walked into 2008 with a plan and their sticking to it.

When I think of it that way, it ALMOST makes sense that the D is playing soft in the pre-season to leave other teams spooked when they steamroll KC and NY.Call me foolish, but I somehow don't think we've seen a whiff of what we're going to get on defense.

3-5-3... might be time to whip up a custom playbook on Madden and see what that looks like. Still, seems like a special package (though maybe a common one this year). Do you think it's a formation type that can morph into other more common D's at the line?
I hate to say that we have played terrible because BB is hiding things,but I think that is exactly what is going on.

The only thing the defense is practicing is this hybrid or what I call the 3-5-3.

Remember,this alignment which indicates more interior blizting,is also a RUN-Blitz defense.If you have Vince Wilfolk at NT with 2 gaps on either side,the hybrid fills the open gap against the RB,or the shortest route to the QB.

The antidote to the West Coast QB is to disrupt the offense from the middle,not from the OLB's.
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I see what your saying,but my contention is that the hybrid position is the experienced back-up.This makes Hobson and Alexander superflous.

BB is not just experimenting with this hybrid position,he has a plan to make this into an 3rd ILB.Nothing else makes sense to me.

This is essentially a 3-5-3 defense,it's innovative and I've never seen anyone use it.By using the hybrid,he's trading size for speed and this is what makes Hobson and alexander superflous.

It indicates to me,mush more interior blitzing.The 3-4 is OLB blitzing,the 3-5-3 is from anywhere,without having to use CB's.
Has anyone reported the Pats actually taking snaps at this 3-5-3 formation you're talking about? Link please.
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