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If denver wants to win now...and they have to with manning only having a few years left..they will make it happen if they want
Denver,like New England has glaring holes in the secondary and that includes an aging Champ Bailey.
The Broncos might go after Talib if he shops the market is more of my concern
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In all seriousness, offering a 2/16 contract to a guy who has outproduced players like C.Johnson and L.Fitzgerald who are making 125-140 million is a bit absurd.
Of course he out produces Fitzgerald, the dude is playing with scrubs like Kolb, Skelton, Lindley, etc.. And I hope to god you're talking about a different C. Johnson. I refuse to believe you think Welker brings a similar game to the field as Megatron.
It's always possible. Watched a few West Virginia games and this kid seemed explosive. Very similiar numbers to Welkers college days. Great production and will probably light it up pretty good at the combine. Personally I think he could be a deep threat in his own right but it will be a learning curve to beat press coverage early. I think he succeeds as a good pick and fit.
Still want a deep threat though. Need to be able to shift gears when someone figures it out. Need to be able to run more than just a 2 TE 2 WR offense. Take into account injuries and have other formations to fall back on that you still do well.
In all seriousness, offering a 2/16 contract to a guy who has outproduced players like C.Johnson and L.Fitzgerald who are making 125-140 million is a bit absurd.
I still believe that Welker would stay here for less than any other team, but that he wants something respectably "fair."
2/16 isn't even anything towards fair. I still wonder what would have happened if they would have kept the aav at 8, but just added another year or two? I think it would have gotten done myself, especially last year. I think Welker wanted something more long term, and I wonder if 3/24 or 4/32 would have been enough. I think it would have, but those 2 are far apart from 2/16.
I love Wes, but do you really think he poses the same type of threat as those receivers? Danny Woodhead might have better stats than Earl Campbell one year, but i don't think that would mean he is a "better" runningback or substitute. Welker is a short slot receiver who is the best at what he does, but a direct comparison with those players is pointless.
Why would we draft a smaller, slot receiver who will not be as good at that as Welker? Wouldn't a bigger and faster receiver be a better fit for our needs. AHern and Vereen can move the sticks in the short-passing game. Along with Gronk. If you have more speed outside, in theory it should open things up for them.
Yes, I agree with you. A bigger outside WR is clearly the higher priority, but a lot of things as we know come to finances and Austin is an explosive slot playmaker who in time could very well be as good as Welker all on a rookie contract. Not to mention the ST teams benefit he would bring.
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I love Wes, but do you really think he poses the same type of threat as those receivers? Danny Woodhead might have better stats than Earl Campbell one year, but i don't think that would mean he is a "better" runningback or substitute. Welker is a short slot receiver who is the best at what he does, but a direct comparison with those players is pointless.
Value per cap dollar spent he outproduces them by a mile while allowing you to have the kind of QB you can win with. Fitz and CJ can't make their teams better absent a franchise QB. Welker helped this team win 11 games with Cassel under center... They cost twice as much as he could have been signed for.
I hate it when Borges is right but he nailed this one. Basically flushing out what this former agent laid out on NFP back in January.
From here on out when players hold out or call Kraft names I'm going to support their actions. Because guys who try and meet them half way get **** on. And that does more internal damage in the locker room than any player cautioning teamates to get yours.
Someone commenting on Borges article said Kraft reminded him of a politician's saying that when he wasn't kissing babies he was stealing their lollipops.
Welker wanted a deal similar to what Vince and Mankins got. $18-20M in signing bonus (Mankins actually got $30M guaranteed) and $8M+ AAV. Welker said they offered him less than $16M guaranteed after the 2011 season. That was because they weren't really offering him that 2 year deal apart from adding it to his remaining 2011 season at $2.15M which would have resulted in a 3 year $18M deal or $6M per. So the guaranteed or signing bonus money last season was likely reduced to $12M. The agent did say they remained about $6M apart...
This isn't about lawyers screwing things up or an unrealistic player looking for top tier money which at the WR position is $12-16M per with $25M-50M guaranteed. I know Welker loves playing with Brady and his teamates but (being as I tend to be vindictive in similar situations) if I were him I wouldn't even take their phone calls at this point. Same thing that happened with Adam. Insulting offer to the guy you were certain you could get away with it on.
I love Wes, but do you really think he poses the same type of threat as those receivers? Danny Woodhead might have better stats than Earl Campbell one year, but i don't think that would mean he is a "better" runningback or substitute. Welker is a short slot receiver who is the best at what he does, but a direct comparison with those players is pointless.
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Of course he out produces Fitzgerald, the dude is playing with scrubs like Kolb, Skelton, Lindley, etc.. And I hope to god you're talking about a different C. Johnson. I refuse to believe you think Welker brings a similar game to the field as Megatron.
It's a difference of opinions, but a strong argument could be made.
No one else has had 5/6 100+ receptions in the past six years, and Welker not only leads all receivers in the NFL during that span, but he does it very easily as the only other receiver is 80 catches away.
He doesn't need to "pose a threat" on the outside, as you say. He constantly beats double team coverage and keeps opposing DC's up all week trying to gameplan around him.
It isn't as simple as the argument of "yeah, but he can't beat someone on the outside." What Welker does is something that no other receiver has been able to do on a consistent basis.
If he wasn't in their category than how did he lead the entire NFL in YACs again this season? He may not have the same skillset as Fitzgerald and C.Johnson, but they don't have the same skillset as Wes Welker either.
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