A "Reasonable" Draft evaluation on Pats DB or why BB so bad at drafting WRs andd CBs? - Page 4 - New England Patriots Forums

borg · 02-17-2013, 10:11 AM

BB seems to value agility above all else at both positions. Unfortunately, agility can't cover the speed WRs on the outside or the physical WRs. And the turn on a dime WRs he favors aren't the type of WR that stretches the field.

FredFromDartmouth · 02-17-2013, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Sciz

Because people like you rewrite history to make it seem like there were obviously better decisions to be made.

So you are saying that taking take Tate was better then taking Wallace? How did I re-write history here?

RayClay · 02-17-2013, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Snake Eyes

The salary cap might get in the way of signing big name WRs and CBs but how does it get in the way of drafting one?

You propose we draft them high and then don't sign them?

Snake Eyes · 02-17-2013, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by olschool

It's more to do with where they pick every year. By the time their pick comes around in the twenties the really highly rated players are gone.

Ok, suppose I agree with you, that still has nothing to do with the salary cap.

RayClay · 02-17-2013, 10:48 AM

If we're talking speed receivers that would be available when they picked, you have Bethel Johnson and Chad Jackson.

If you're talking big, good receivers, but less speedy, like Boldin, I think they prefer tight ends (Gronk adds much more to an offense IMO).

If we're talking Big, fast, smart receivers, we don't have the picks and very high picked receivers have busted out at a fair rate.

Of course we went after tight ends for years with picks and FAs before we got our present two, so i wouldn't be surprised we try to pluck a fast receiver with flaws, or lack of resume, again.

***Helmet2Helmet*** · 02-17-2013, 10:55 AM

Can't believe people are still banking on Dowling. Even when he played he was terrible. Somehow him and the secondary being torched for 400+ yards to Chad Henne inspired optimism for the guy.

***DarrylS*** · 02-17-2013, 10:56 AM

Maybe a better question is why is BB so good at developing a team???

The draft is a crap shoot.. and there are as many hits as misses in the league.

Something I came up with to illustrate how much so.. have not updated '12 draft info..

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Originally Posted by DarrylS

Have always contended that the draft is a crap shoot... people look to the Steelers as some hallmark we should emulate.. here is their draft history in the second round for the past 6 years..

2011.. Marcus Gilbert..OT currently starts for the Steelers
2010.. Jason Worilds.. playing ok, but seems to be a work in progress
2009.. no second round pick
2008.. Limus Sweed... has been waived
2007.. Lamar Woodley.. great pick
2006.. no second round pick

Miami's vaunted 2nd round picks..

2011...Daniel Thomas RB.. looks like a good pick
2010..Koa Missa. LB.. work in progress
2009..Pat White. QB... not in the game
2008..Phillip Merling.. not in the game
Chad Henne..
2007.. John Beck. QB...traded to the Redskins
Samson Satele.. C.. good pick
2006..no pick

The Jets absolutely wonderful 2nd round picks..

2011... no second round pick
2010.. Vladimir DuCasse
2009.. Shonn Greene
2008 .. no second round pick
2007.. David Harris
2006.. Kellen Clemens
2005... Mike Nugent
Justin Miller..

The Green Bay Packers recent 2ndround picks..

2011.. Randall Cobb
2010.. Mike Neal.. oft injuried
2009.. no second round pick
2008..Brian Brohm.. no longer in the NFL
Patrick lee.. marginal player
2007..Brandon Jackson.. marginal player now with the Browns.
2006...Darren Colledge..starting O lineman now with the Cardinals
Greg Jennings
2005..Nick Collins.. a pro bowler on IR
Terrence Murphy retired from the NFL..

You can do this will all of the teams in the AFC and results may be comparable. People need to view this longitudinally.. there are as many hits in the draft as misses

***Sciz*** · 02-17-2013, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by FredFromDartmouth

So you are saying that taking take Tate was better then taking Wallace? How did I re-write history here?

Wallace was a speedster with very questionable route running skills. He was far from the sure thing that you act like he was.

***Helmet2Helmet*** · 02-17-2013, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimke

I believe that lack of good assistant coaches is also a factor in the
failure of WRs and DBs to succeed. Since the Charlie Weis/Romeo
Crennel area ended, the quality of assistant coaching talent has
become worse each year.

Our current WR and DB coaches do not have impressive college coaching resumes.
How can you expect them to develop young talent? Eric Mangini is the Patriots' Benedict Arrnold but he was able to convert Eugene Wilson
from cornerback to passable safety in a couple of weeks.

People hate Mangini but there is no denying some of the defensive talent he brought to the Jets and Browns.

***convertedpatsfan*** · 02-17-2013, 11:08 AM

Why do people keep bringing up Mike Wallace as a shining example of how we whiff on the draft?

First off, a ton of teams missed on him. In fact, every team missed him twice. Including Pittsburgh.

Pittsburgh took Kraig Urbik 5 picks before they drafted Wallace. During that span, two WRs went off the board. If Pittsburgh REALLY knew what they had, do you think they would have let that happen?

Pittsburgh got lucky, just like we did when we wasted a 6th-round pick on our 4th-string QB in 2000. Luck is part of the draft. But don't bring up every long shot as absolute evidence of anything. You can continue in your role as president of the Felger Fan Club without continuing to re-circulate the same 5 or 6 "facts" about why the FO is terrible.