betterthanthealternative

Posts don't warrant rude comments. If a post is made with which a person disagrees, then an alternative view can be offered, or the original post can be ignored. When, instead, the post and/or the person are attacked, it is a reflection of the respondent, not a reflection of the quality of the original post. And its a shame, because this approach reduces the quality and the potential of every conversation. We all are witness to it in our workplaces and in "town square" of the political arenas.

Claremonster

BB should let McD pick the wr's...he did a good job in Denver.

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BritPat

That's it pretty much right here folks.

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Creator of the Pats must draft Jason Verrett in 2014 no matter the cost fanclub.

BritPat

He seemingly had a fair bit of say in the Chad Jackson debacle too, let's not forget.

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FredFromDartmouth

Eugene Wilson was one of the best free safeties that BB ever drafted. B or B+. He NEVER missed a tackle..ahem...unlike some other FS the Patriots hired and was great in coverage.

The most important skill a safety must have is tackling and Wilson excelled.

AndyJohnson

No more than any OC has on giving an opinion on an offensive player. We know McDaniel worked out CJ. We do not know what his opinion was.
Also BB would lean a lot more heavily on his biuddy Meyer's opinion of work ethic and smarts (the reasons he failed) than in what McDaniel could cull about those areas in a workout.
These old wives tales of Patsfans.com have a life of their own.

BritPat

There were plenty of stories pre-Draft in 2006 about McDaniels pushing for Jackson, on here and on the web.

Its no coincidence that after we cut him, he rocked up in Denver - where McDaniels was coaching.

Unless I dreamt the whole McKid as HC thing and this is nothing but an episode of Dallas?

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supafly

I can't possibly agree with the following:

McCourty as a "C"---he has played very well in 2/3 seasons, and in both of those seasons he has warranted a 1st round pick status. I would have definitely given him a solid "B."

Ellis Hobbs as a "C+"---while Hobbs was never going to be a good #1 CB, he was extremely effective as a CB2 or CB3 at the worst. This isn't even taking into account his ST play either. I would move that up to a solid "C."

Meriweather as a "C-"---he freelanced and played out of position, and he did not warrant BOTH probowl votes, but he certainly deserved one of them in my opinion, and during his first 3 seasons of 2008-2010 only Troy Polamalu had more turnovers in the league. Meriweather deserves a solid "C" also.

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supafly

I think it would be helpful to take a look at the success ratio percentage for picks in the first, second, and third rounds when you get a chance. They aren't nearly as high as you may think. If you took this into account you may be able to understand the hit/miss exercise that is the NFL draft.

I agree with you on some level that these particular positions haven't panned out enough, but I would guess that we've had a much better success rate at many other positions to balance that out.

To answer your question I would still hope that Belichick addresses these positions through the draft again, yes, because that's probably the only way we're going to get a long term starter. The rate and gamble of FA's isn't much better, probably worse when you factor in their overinflated cost.

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BlitzFritz

The thesis from the OP is a good one -- the Pats have NOT done well drafting DBs and WRs. (We knew this already I think).

The grades are not reasonable for the picks that worked out (Eugene Wilson, Asante, etc).

I personally am more interested in WHY the NEP struggle so mightily ? I mean look at high value picks repeatedly used in the secondary. Merriweather, Dowling, Butler, etc). Its frickin frustrating.

And I do not want to see them pick a WR before 4th round, since EVERY WR washes out in our offense.

Its just an unbelievable run on failure, people. This thread is probably WHY WE HAVE NOT WON ANOTHER SB since 2004.

(okay maybe i had too much coffee, but WTF)

-- FRITZ

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