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Old 02-07-2013, 06:34 PM   #11
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Not to call "conspiracy theory" but I do think that the NFL wants certain teams to win over other teams, especially in the playoffs. This year, I believe they really wanted the Ravens to win it all. We and the 49ers got screwed by the refs in my opinion.
Yep, and the pats only scoring 13 points, and in the red zone what 6 times? Just doesn't add up.
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Old 02-07-2013, 07:53 PM   #12
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Not to call "conspiracy theory" but I do think that the NFL wants certain teams to win over other teams, especially in the playoffs. This year, I believe they really wanted the Ravens to win it all. We and the 49ers got screwed by the refs in my opinion.
I'll ask you the same question I ask all the conspiracy theorists (and have yet to have answered):

If you believe that, then why are you a fan of the league?
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I'll ask you the same question I ask all the conspiracy theorists (and have yet to have answered):

If you believe that, then why are you a fan of the league?
I was a fan of Brock Lesnar when he wrestled NCAA...I wanted Brock to win the belt in the WWE....

I've been an NFL fan since I was 7 and I'll die a fan...doesn't change the fact that the past decade seems shady.....SB after SB with curious calls and non calls, yet every game in doubt right down to the last minutes of the 4th quarter...yeah, it makes for great entertainment...it's just doesn't fit the look test.
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I was a fan of Brock Lesnar when he wrestled NCAA...I wanted Brock to win the belt in the WWE....

I've been an NFL fan since I was 7 and I'll die a fan...doesn't change the fact that the past decade seems shady.....SB after SB with curious calls and non calls, yet every game in doubt right down to the last minutes of the 4th quarter...yeah, it makes for great entertainment...it's just doesn't fit the look test.
This has been the one thing that always bothered me. There should be blowouts in the Super Bowl
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The Patriots have been overachievers the past two years. It doesn't have the talent to compensate for injuries, and it wins so much because it puts in 99% effort in the regular season and plays with terrific schemes to mask its deficiencies.

But in the playoffs a good team at 99% will not beat emotional, talented teams that play at 100%. It's what happened against the Giants in 2011 and the Ravens in 2012.
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The Bears blew out the Pats 46-10...remember that one...the enxt day the cry was all the viewers switching channels in the 3rd quarter....companies paid for air time for their ads and lost 3/4's of their anticipated audience for the last 20 minutes of that game...and others....Desmond Howard prompted mass channel clicks back in '96.

Then comes 2000 and everything accelerates...ticket prices go up...prices for 30 second ads go stratospheric...TV contracts blow sky high....billions of new dollars make their appearance...and ever since, every single season, there's this "the mafia is fixing game!!!---"no they're not, do you know how many people would have to b in on it!!!"....THAT is the ol' misdirection....there's no mafia fix, there's no one "in on it".... EXCEPT the 32 owners, TV networks and advertisers...why would they EVER admit to collusion?...they're raking in billions upon billions of previously unforeseen monies...it's a veritable treasure bath.

Take a three week old rotting rainbow trout....paint it with three shades of spray paint...you STILL have a rotten trout...but half the people will insist it's fresh caught today..."just look at those colors!!!!"....
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I was a fan of Brock Lesnar when he wrestled NCAA...I wanted Brock to win the belt in the WWE....
Horrible analogy. The WWE makes absolutely zero pretense that it is an honest competition. It's much like going to the circus; you see great athleticism but not any sort of actual contest. Just a pre-scripted ballet.
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I've been an NFL fan since I was 7 and I'll die a fan...doesn't change the fact that the past decade seems shady.....SB after SB with curious calls and non calls, yet every game in doubt right down to the last minutes of the 4th quarter...yeah, it makes for great entertainment...it's just doesn't fit the look test.
But you haven't answered the question. WHY are you a fan of a sport that you feel is rigged? The very essence of enjoying competitive sports comes down to the idea of fair play.

We as a society are somewhat forgiving of those who cheat to get ahead. But rigging outcomes of championship games? That was be an unforgivable, deadly sin.
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There's nothing I can say to you that will change your mind...you KNOW it's all on the level

I say to you I was a fan of the NCAA wrestler Brock Lesnar-(the NFL pre 2000)

I say I am still a fan of the WWE wrestler Brock Lesnar (the NFL post 1999)

you still go beserk accosting me with "that's a horrible analogy!!!!!"...WTF is it with you??? you must be the "I'm always 100% right about everything and if you disagree anything you say is horrible!!!!" internet Einstein.

Believe what you want...99% of the educated ruling classes of Europe believed the earth was flat in 1450.....and used the exact same denunciation YOU just gave me.
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at least we don't follow European soccer...talk about the norm
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Seems like every year there are so many calls the refs just basically get wrong and the losing team is left agonizing of what could have been if the calls went there way. It is happening so much now that I think it has to be a part of the equation and teams/coaches need to account for that and have plays designed as such.

It's game after game after game.....some teams get hit harder but I think each team would say they are the victims. It's the sad truth but its probably impossible to get every call right however refs these days are making more mistakes leading to all the controversy and discussions. Even though we feel calls go mostly against us - have been reading on the 49ers message boards how the Pats DBs mugged the Rams WR in 2002 SB and refs "let them play".....

Also drops, fumbles, etc - they are gonna happen and have to be looked at as being part of the game and teams need to win despite that.

Bad refereeing and key drops/mistakes by teams are not isolated incidents but part of the norm. Not breaking any major news - just stating the obvious....
Probably because they're rigged? There is proof of that happening.
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I'll ask you the same question I ask all the conspiracy theorists (and have yet to have answered):

If you believe that, then why are you a fan of the league?
Prove to me that sports aren't rigged. Good luck with that one bucko...

and Pete Rose is a saint too.

You probably believe everything that you hear on tv. Those late night infomercials love you.
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