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Old 01-31-2013, 04:42 PM   #71
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I can't reasonably agree with much out of this paragraph.





I know you've been a big fan of Wilson. The problem is that he just signed his new 4 yr deal last season and has 3 remaining years left. His base salary is 2.5 million with a cap hit of approx. 4.5 million, so he still offers them a lot of value at that price. We aren't talking about an 8-9 million dollar cap hit here.

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He may not be starting anymore (although that was during the last coaching regime) but still plays a lot and brings them a huge veteran presence.

I don't think that he'd be anything of a cap casualty myself, but they are in cap hell at the moment so anything is possible.

Wilson would certainly be an upgrade to what they currently have, but he'd be a 1-2 yr stopgap at best.

Not sure who "Andy" is, but Bruce Arians is now the head coach at Arizona.
Thanks for the correction Arians.yes. My bad
They are saying there he will be a CAP casualty

"Adrian Wilson seems confident that he can find another home if cut by the Cardinals"

turning 33 in October with ample time remaining on his contract. Most likely, the Cardinals advanced some cash to Wilson in the form of a bonus, reduced his $6.5 million base salary for 2012 and lowered Wilson's current salary-cap charge,

He's gone in AZ Cousin.
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Old 01-31-2013, 05:10 PM   #72
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thank the lord 95% of this forum isn't a GM
Most of the absurd positions we put forward on Patsfans as pie in the sky suggestions are debated at length.... in the office of the Jets GM.
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Wilson is almost surely getting cut, it seems, but why would the Pats want him? Yes, he's 230 pounds and can hit. He's also 33 and just got demoted out of the Cards' nickel coverage because he can't cover.

Do people really want an "enforcer" so badly that they're okay with him being terrible in coverage?
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Wilson is almost surely getting cut, it seems, but why would the Pats want him? Yes, he's 230 pounds and can hit. He's also 33 and just got demoted out of the Cards' nickel coverage because he can't cover.

Do people really want an "enforcer" so badly that they're okay with him being terrible in coverage?
The thing is, he knows how to cover but the legs aren't what they used to be. Perhaps Wilson could be used in a linebacker-style role? He's more of a LB than a S when it comes to taking on and getting off blocks, and even though he's slowed down he's plenty fast when compared to Spikes or Hightower.

I could see BB signing Wilson as a "big dime" back and only using him on 3rd downs, in addition to a nickelback who is more of a cover man. That is, unless our own Wilson progresses enough to assume that role.
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Thanks for the correction Arians.yes. My bad
They are saying there he will be a CAP casualty

"Adrian Wilson seems confident that he can find another home if cut by the Cardinals"

turning 33 in October with ample time remaining on his contract. Most likely, the Cardinals advanced some cash to Wilson in the form of a bonus, reduced his $6.5 million base salary for 2012 and lowered Wilson's current salary-cap charge,

He's gone in AZ Cousin.
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If the Cardinals cut Wilson, then I'd love for the Pats to pick him up, if it's short money and the understanding was that he would only be used in dime packages (and maybe a bit of nickle on short down and distance).
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turning 33 in October with ample time remaining on his contract. Most likely, the Cardinals advanced some cash to Wilson in the form of a bonus, reduced his $6.5 million base salary for 2012 and lowered Wilson's current salary-cap charge,

He's gone in AZ Cousin.
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Wilson just took a huge pay cut in the summer by signing an incentive laden 2 year extension on his then current 2 year deal to help the team save significant money. If they now turn around and cut him that'd be pretty ironic.

Here's a quote from Wilson showing his desire to stay in ARZ while doing anything he can to help the team financially:


"I'm not in it for the money; I have enough of that," Wilson said according to The Arizona Republic. "I just want to finish my career here and hopefully the young guys here now understand why I am doing it, and put them in a better situation down the road."

Anything is obviously possible, but if they just redid his pact last season in realization of his career winding down and that he'd have less playing time, I wonder what would change their minds now, just one year later?

He'd have been a cap casualty IF he didn't redo the deal last summer for sure.
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I think a problem is that we don't have many draft picks, since we traded many away (Haynesworth, Ocho, Talib).

One of BillB's attributes, is to trade now, for future picks, and I think that will be true this year. So, #1 pick may be traded away. #2 possibly trade down as well.

Finding a "gem" of a Safety in higher rounds is tough. Be interesting what BillB's highest priority position need will be in the draft...
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I think a problem is that we don't have many draft picks, since we traded many away (Haynesworth, Ocho, Talib).

One of BillB's attributes, is to trade now, for future picks, and I think that will be true this year. So, #1 pick may be traded away. #2 possibly trade down as well.

Finding a "gem" of a Safety in higher rounds is tough. Be interesting what BillB's highest priority position need will be in the draft...
Why is that really a problem? Belichick is already conducting a draft without a draft, by grabbing CFL players. The team is already pretty much set at the starting positions, with only 3 spots that definitely need dealing with right away (Welker/WR, Talib/CB, Vollmer/RT). Key backup roles have players who are available and know the system (OL - Thomas, RB - Woodhead, WR - Edelman), they just re-signed Fletcher, who'll likely serve as the passing down replacement for Spikes when appropriate, and who'll also likely take up one of the special teams positions, they've still got picks in rounds 1, 2, 3 and 7, and the Patriots have been very successful at finding players in the UDFA ranks, post-draft. They've also got Demps, who is effectively another draft pick who had a medical 'redshirt' season.

Some will whine and moan, and some will panic, as the offseason progresses, but the reality is that this team is similar to the 2007 team, where the draft can supply the only real areas of need for a very deep team, as long as the normal business is taken care of first, and the team doesn't really need a full roster of draft picks. It only gets really dicey if the team doesn't bring back its starting WR and a CB1.
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Some will whine and moan, and some will panic, as the offseason progresses, but the reality is that this team is similar to the 2007 team, where the draft can supply the only real areas of need for a very deep team, as long as the normal business is taken care of first, and the team doesn't really need a full roster of draft picks. It only gets really dicey if the team doesn't bring back its starting WR and a CB1.
I agree entirely. Belichick is effective more often than not in making up for certain aspects, and apparently he felt that it wasn't nearly the problem that some here see or else he wouldn't have risked another mid round pick by trading for Talib.

He has a decent enough cap situation for signing our own and making a few middle of the road moves in free agency (possibly even a higher level move for the secondary or WR), not to mention trading around in the draft.

IIRC there are still a total of 5 picks (two in the seventh) to move around and target different areas. We all know that those 5 picks can very easily be 6 without much difficulty, so even the apparent lack of picks shouldn't hamper them too much in terms of adding some more youth and talent.

As you mentioned, he's already attacked outside resources like the CFL for two more guys. We also have a handful of players coming back like Ballard, Demps, Dowling, Fletcher etc who will compete for depth and competition, not to mention the UDFAs and 90 man roster camp (or salary cap) casualties.

Considering the real fact that there aren't as many weaknesses or areas to improve as many would think, we are probably in better position than most years actually.
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I would say via free agency......the pats have plenty of youth with dennard,wilson,mccourty....bring back talib and get a solid S that works in this scheme....preferably one that can make a hit without shattering himself into a million little pieces
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