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Old 01-30-2013, 09:39 PM   #21
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exactly my problems with Elam. He's fun to watch play but he WILL NOT hold up with his playing style, in the box at the next level. Would much rather a bigger physical presence who can match up with tight ends. Vaccaro is much better suited to do so.
Yeah, I'd be pumped if the Pats got Vaccaro in the 1st. He'll be an impact defender at the NFL level. I just don't see it happening, though - he'll go too early. Would probably take a fair bit of ammo to trade up into the range where he would be available.
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They've got a veteran safety, in Gregory. They've got a starting safety in McCourty. What they need is a big talent leader in the secondary, and they need that player around for a while. Use the first round pick and draft one of the best safeties in a great safety draft
Problem is who is the best safety in this draft? Not only is it a deep draft, but very flat as far as immediate contributors are concerned. Why draft Matt Elam, when you can get Shamarko Thomas who is basically the same player a round later? That's before getting to guys like DJ Swearinger and Jonathan Cyprien, who are also just as good as Elam. Why take a "looks like Tarzan" guy like Eric Reid when you can grab another falling Tarzan later in TJ McDonald? The only clear "best safety in the draft" type is Vaccaro, and even then, he needs to be developed as a player mentally and this team doesn't have a sterling record in that regard. Taking a safety high in a draft where all the prospects are at a similar level would be foolish in my mind.
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I was very optimistic on Chung, especially during 2010. But as his injuries continued to mount up was when my confidence was lost.

But yeah, I think Wilson's shown more in his rookie year than Chung had over his 4 years here.


Wilson was lousy for most of this year. In Chung's rookie year, he was doing well enough that people here were getting moist with anticipation of his future, and the few of us who weren't buying it were vastly outnumbered.
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Problem is who is the best safety in this draft?
Vaccarro, by most accounts

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Not only is it a deep draft, but very flat as far as immediate contributors are concerned. Why draft Matt Elam, when you can get Shamarko Thomas who is basically the same player a round later?
They've pulled that move too many times with the DBs in recent years. You'll note that going in the opposite direction has worked out nicely with Jones and Hightower. The team needs a young impact rookie at safety, and it needs one at WR. I don't care how few picks the team has, they need to use them to get up in the draft and pick the cream of the crop at safety and WR.

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That's before getting to guys like DJ Swearinger and Jonathan Cyprien, who are also just as good as Elam. Why take a "looks like Tarzan" guy like Eric Reid when you can grab another falling Tarzan later in TJ McDonald?
If those players are truly Elam's equals in the eyes of most scouts, they won't be falling into later rounds.

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The only clear "best safety in the draft" type is Vaccaro, and even then, he needs to be developed as a player mentally and this team doesn't have a sterling record in that regard. Taking a safety high in a draft where all the prospects are at a similar level would be foolish in my mind.
So they should focus on more free agents like Ihedigbho and Gregory, then?
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Wilson was lousy for most of this year. In Chung's rookie year, he was doing well enough that people here were getting moist with anticipation of his future, and the few of us who weren't buying it were vastly outnumbered.
Again, I was optimistic with Chung as well, even though he didn't play a ton his rookie year. I wouldn't call Wilson lousy most of the year, he got off to a strong start, was getting roasted in a few games, notably the Seattle game, then he began to play a more limited role when Gregory got healthy. I didn't see much lousiness from Wilson when he was more limited. Basically, yes he got torched later on in the middle of the year, but he showed some strides at the beginning of the year. Not to mention that unlike Chung, he didn't have stone hands and caused turnovers.
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They've pulled that move too many times with the DBs in recent years. You'll note that going in the opposite direction has worked out nicely with Jones and Hightower. The team needs a young impact rookie at safety, and it needs one at WR. I don't care how few picks the team has, they need to use them to get up in the draft and pick the cream of the crop at safety and WR.



If those players are truly Elam's equals in the eyes of most scouts, they won't be falling into later rounds.



So they should focus on more free agents like Ihedigbho and Gregory, then?
Nope. They should go spend 5-6 mil on a vet like Reed or Woodson next season, and draft a faller like John Boyett or Bacarri Rambo on day 3 who would be a third rounder in a different year.
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Nope. They should go spend 5-6 mil on a vet like Reed or Woodson next season, and draft a faller like John Boyett or Bacarri Rambo on day 3 who would be a third rounder in a different year.
The Patriots have picks in rounds 1,2,3 and 7.

You want them to drop $6 million on a one-year stopgap player and then draft a stiff with a pick they don't have?
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Nope. They should go spend 5-6 mil on a vet like Reed or Woodson next season, and draft a faller like John Boyett or Bacarri Rambo on day 3 who would be a third rounder in a different year.
I think Darren Woodson's pretty content with his job at ESPN.
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The Patriots have picks in rounds 1,2,3 and 7.

You want them to drop $6 million on a one-year stopgap player and then draft a stiff with a pick they don't have?
You want them to draft an undersized guy who can't cover tight ends and has marginal coverage instincts in the first round and expect him to help a team that wants to win now?
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John Boyett will be a better pro than Matt Elam. Wait and see.
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