supafly

These decisions will obviously have to made with regard to the ultimate plan for the whole entire WR unit, meaning that they'll have to pretty much know what is in store with Welker and Edelman.

Since that may not be possible at this point in time, I'd have a hard time believing that they weren't somewhat impressed with Llyod's ability to quickly get on the same page with Brady and the rest of the offense--even if he'd played in a similar system before.

Another year in the offense may produce even better results, but keeping Llyod pretty much guarantees that there will be other options if someone gets hurt or Welker isn't retained. Some of you are acting like he was Chad Ochocinco part two last year.

The front office's inability to hit on a downfield threat to do certain things for this offense that Brandon Llyod cannot/doesn't do is not really Brandon Llyod's fault, is it?

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bostonia3333

I don't remember Lloyd making many intermediate vertical receptions for 10 yds even if it was for zero yac. Lloyd is like the bishop on a chessboard, he can only move diagonally.... So frustrating

pherein

New Orleans Saints keep WR Marques Colston with 5-year deal - ESPN

I agree. Some of the contract money you see Colston getting is also for past performance. He was never paid much money before, usual payoff.

But Lloyd is a great bang for the buck, as these links show. I just thought you might want to see them.

Brandon Lloyd
Brandon Lloyd Salary Info and Value - New England Patriots Salaries -- Football Player Salaries

Marques Colston
Marques Colston Salary Info and Value - New Orleans Saints Salaries -- Football Player Salaries

New England Patriots
New England Patriots Salaries and Player Value -- Football Player Salaries

Tom Brady
http://football.player-salaries.com/...s/78_Tom_Brady

Drew Brees
http://football.player-salaries.com/...009_Drew_Brees

and Bradys pretty cheap to,lol

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pherein

maybe, but even Jerry Rice was 200 lbs. Lloyd at only 185 lbs is going to have trouble muscling for position, and fighting for the ball. The average for a CB is around the 180-200 lb. area.
For height, I would say 5'10"-6'1
according to Mr. Google.
So, I think some of the problems he is having, might be his weight. Just throwing it out there, but seems logical. He might need to bulk up a bit.

Thought Welker is 185 lbs, and lance more 190 lbs, but moore is 5 ft 9, and welker is the same height.

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same people who want him gone..will love him if he has a better YAC next year...always the way it happens

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While your point is very true, I'm not too sure that will necessarily happen.

I think that many (including myself on some level) saw Lloyd's signing as a better answer to our vertical problems, when in theory he was likely brought in to stretch the field more in a horizontal way from sideline to sideline.

He certainly is a fit for this offense, and adds more than Branch did with his 50 catches in 2011.

I'm sure we'll see some improvement in certain aspects with another year under his belt, but I'm not guessing that we'll see his YAC come up that much.

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MoLewisrocks

Even the usually reticent Mike Reiss has indicated that Lloyd remaining isn't a slam dunk, for purely financial reasons. Bill is not in the habit of overpaying for sub elite talent. He was paid $4M last season while hitting the cap at $2M and is due $5M in new money this season with a cap hit of $4.5M, something this team simply has not historically paid for his level of production. (Except for the mistake formerly known as Ochocinco - whom they obviously would not have invested $5.75M in had they known he wouldn't produce at all).

I think it may be a matter of whether or not they can retain Welker. If not they may not have leverage with Lloyd. I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to restructure his deal so that the $3M option bonus becomes some sort of incentivized bonus structure he can earn over 2013-2014. (Would make more sense than trying to incentivize $500K of a pro bowl RG's salary in 2012, which they did attempt to do.) Perhaps 75 receptions and/or 1000 yards as a baseline (which would make them NLTBE and get them off the cap for now). Not sure what leverage Lloyd has beyond going along as there wasn't much interest in him absent Josh in 2012 and I doubt that has changed.

That $5M in cash and $4.5M against the cap (even minus $1M in dead cap or $3.5M) he is due likely covers retaining Edelman and Woodhead. Just getting his cap hit down to $2.9M probably frees up the cap space to cover one or the other.

Snake Eyes

Hmmm, I always thought the point of the game was to get more yards so you can score TDs. I guess the team would rather he show toughness by taking big hits and fighting for every inch but not getting as many yards and 1st downs. Gronk is like that, it's just too bad he's been injured when we need him most in the playoffs...

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MoLewisrocks

The point is to get more yards than merely what it takes. That is best balanced with an eye to protecting your ability to remain on the field. That said, Lloyd flops when there isn't anyone within 10 yards of him and according to Bedard the team repeatedly spoke to him about his approach over the course of the season. It's hard to hit a guy in stride when he more often than not isn't striding. His YPC are trending downward and for an outside the numbers guy who catches less than 60% of the throws he's targeted on, that isn't encouraging.

IllegalContact

his presence does not hurt the pats, and for 5M, I don't have a problem with 74 catches, 900 yards and 4 TD's.....sure I would like more, but that's not a bad deal by any stretch of the imagination.

I don't see any FA's that would replace that for that price

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