DarrylStingley

You can disagree with the premise but that's a bad post. Really, it's one of the worst posts I've ever seen on this site.

Why am I wrong?

I don't think I am and I think Curran's point about Patricia being a poor communicator and Bill's need to get so actively involved are indicators that maybe a change would help.

zimmy

You seem to be basing your arguments around some heresay on the radio and the fact Bill likes to take an active involvement in the defence - something he has done under more than Matt Patricia. Alternatively we could look at the facts and see that Matt presided over an improved defence this year. It's not perfect by any means but I think he's more hamstrung by lack of personnel at some key positions - relying on rookies at DE and lack of depth at cornerback/safety, then by any lack of quality in his coaching.

The scheme may be an issue but that is Bill's area and the results were similar when Bill was running the D. Getting rid of Matt isn't the answer, we need to continue to get more effective at getting pressure on the QB and being more physical at CB. That starts with personnel and perhaps some schemechanges (which I hope we saw being developed as the season progressed)

borg

As OC, Josh has led the NE offense to two of the highest scoring regular seasons in NFL history. Then, 14 pts vs Giants in '07('08 in reality) SB and 13 points vs Baltimore last week. Quite a conundrum.

A common theme with Josh as OC in these two games is his reluctance to keep Brady under center on 3rd down. Verses the NYG in '07, Brady was in shot gun 13/15 3rd downs. Verses Baltimore, Brady was in shot gun 14/15 3rd downs.

Combining both games, the 3 non shotgun snaps total were hand offs, therefore, we can determine that McDaniels called ZERO play action plays on 3rd down in these two playoff games. Verses Baltimore, NE remained permanently in 3rd shot gun for the final 55 minutes. Verses the GMen, for the final 45 minutes.

Is this the norm for passing teams, a 90% shot gun rate on 3rd down and a 0% play action rate? According to Felger and his panel yesterday, Baltimore lived in the nickel last week yet NE refused to challenge this 4 man front with Brady under center runs.

The eye test showed me both NYG and Balt controlled the LOS and NE chose to avoid direct contact with their D lines.

This quick analysis is just food for thought....but....one has to wonder why NE has scored so few points when opposing teams with stout lines. We are talking the NE Patriots, one of the greatest air shows in NFL history. Offense like Baltimore feed off of play action which, when successful, open up the center of the field by freezing the LBs. Either McDaniels just doesn't believe in it, or he accepts that NE just doesn't have the O line to win the hard yards so he can't sell it. Or it's a Brady thing.

Two big games, two clear examples of NE predictability, two of their lowest scoring games in recent years, two losses. We can argue deep receiver, etc etc....but maybe NE needs to start in the trenches with a little tendency self evaluation sprinkled in.

Sorry to go off the reservation from the OP.

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MTM558

A few things:

1) Bill has ALWAYS worked extensively with the Defense. It is his background, after all. And having Tom Brady at QB and a typically well respected OC certainly helps his confidence on the offensive side of the ball.

2) Patricia has worked with the Defense that past few years. He was handpicked by Bill to take over playcalling on Defense, and become the DC. He was selected over bringing in a "big name" or even going to Pepper Johnson. That says something about what Bill sees in him
** (It also should be noted, Bill has always developed his own staff and built in house).

3) Remember when Dom Capers was here coaching the Secondary? If not, it's ok, because that group sucked. And yet Capers is now revered as a great defensive visionary?

Changing Coaches (or in this case playcallers) will only do so much (or little). Bill knows what the plays are. He can change it if he wants to. Mayo could change it if he feels they need to. What the team needs are better players to execute the incredibly complicated scheme that the Patriots employ.

Patricia was justr given the reigns. Bill won't take them away.

Sicilian

Remember when Dean Pees was the DC for the Patriots and how much people hated his passive style of defense, lack of pass rush, etc? Well he went to the Ravens and poof, he's running a solid defense down there. The difference? He still had proven veteran stars to help him on the field, and overall a lot of defensive talent. The Patriots have been trying to restock their defense since the core leaders left. I am willing to give Patricia the benefit of the doubt until he has the talent to succeed yet still doesn't. They're trending upwards, but until they get there, it's not going to matter who has the DC title.

MTM558

And to this I respond: Any great offense has a flaw. This team's is getting mugged at the line and smashed in the mouth in the run. If receivers can't get open, timing is off, which in turn causes incompletions or for extra time for the rush to hit home.

The Rams looked unstoppable until they were stopped in the Super Bowl by the Pats, no?

Bubba

during his recent chat, Bruschi said that Patricia is doing a great job

DarrylStingley

Good replies folks.

Another point though.

Romeo is such a talented DC that maybe having him around would free Bill up to do more of the many jobs that he has. And there's the fact that the Pats haven't won a SB without Romeo (and Charlie, for that matter).

I just wonder if having such a great guy on the market might make Bill decide to go that way. Or should it?

PS: To the point made in the somewhat off topic reply, I do think that the offense's failure is big games is a huge concern. I don't know what the answer is but the simple fact is that the D played well enough to win both Giants SBs and the offense is what let them down. Sure, the D didn't come up big at the end, but particularly in 2011, the offense kept putting our D back on the field. Maybe some kind of change is needed there too. Maybe a voice from the outside. And of course better personnel, and a big WR is the head of my list.

Shed83

Great Analysis!!

Could you start posting more?

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DarrylStingley

I loved Bru the player but I don't find his analysis to be that spot on. Not saying he's wrong on Patricia. Just, in general, I don't see him as a great authority.