Stud WR Won't Fix Anything (Remember 2007?) - Page 7 - New England Patriots Forums

Claremonster · 01-23-2013, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DropKickFlutie

The Patriots in 2007 had the most prolific deep threat in NFL history in Randy Moss, who broke the all team record for regular season TD's.

That did not stop the Pats from struggling in multiple games in the playoffs that year, including the Superbowl.

Multiple posters here have noted that in the last 7 years the Patriot offense has lost big playoff games in which the offense has put up 17 or fewer points, especially by getting shut out in the 2nd half or in the 4th quarter of games.

The solution to this is not throwing money at a stud wide out. At best it would just be 2007 all over again, and will not address the original core problem(s) that result in offensive choke jobs.

The solution is looking at something a poster pointed out about Game Preparation Theory, in which playoff teams catch up to the K-Gun Patriots after more comprehensive playoff scouting.

The Patriots need to scout themselves especially on offense, in order to understand how to beat teams that make various 2nd half adjustments on them. It is NOT a talent issue, it is a play calling issue. In 2001 the Patriots had terrible receivers, but called the right play to secure the key 3rd down or make the key catch to advance a game-winning drive.

2007 isn't 2013 son... :coffee:

Claremonster · 01-23-2013, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by KontradictioN

A healthy Gronk fixes the problems we saw Sunday. A big bodied and athletic WR that runs all the routes and threatens every level of the field to go along with Gronk and Welker puts us over the top and makes this offense damn near unstoppable.

Awesome! Guess what games Gronk missed? Any important ones? Yeah, exactly!!!!

If/when he IS injured, a deep threat compensates for him not being there.

:coffee:

Claremonster · 01-23-2013, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob0729

Do you think Moss did all that much more than what Gronk did this year before he got injured? If Gronk wasn't injured, he was on pace for a 1,264 yard and 18 TD season even after a slow start. Moss had 1493 yard and 23 TD season. Not a huge difference.

How about not choosing either/or and get BOTH!!!! Think about it.

Why would you want to limit yourself in a chess game?

Not a 2nd round Bethel Johnson. I mean a legit 1st for once.

MrNathanDrake · 01-23-2013, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DropKickFlutie

The Patriots in 2007 had the most prolific deep threat in NFL history in Randy Moss, who broke the all team record for regular season TD's.

That did not stop the Pats from struggling in multiple games in the playoffs that year, including the Superbowl.

Multiple posters here have noted that in the last 7 years the Patriot offense has lost big playoff games in which the offense has put up 17 or fewer points, especially by getting shut out in the 2nd half or in the 4th quarter of games.

The solution to this is not throwing money at a stud wide out. At best it would just be 2007 all over again, and will not address the original core problem(s) that result in offensive choke jobs.

The solution is looking at something a poster pointed out about Game Preparation Theory, in which playoff teams catch up to the K-Gun Patriots after more comprehensive playoff scouting.

The Patriots need to scout themselves especially on offense, in order to understand how to beat teams that make various 2nd half adjustments on them. It is NOT a talent issue, it is a play calling issue. In 2001 the Patriots had terrible receivers, but called the right play to secure the key 3rd down or make the key catch to advance a game-winning drive.

We didn't have good Tight Ends in 2007.

Randy Moss disappeared in the playoffs.

Observer · 01-24-2013, 05:43 AM

No, but an offensive line that can run for 2 yards when it needs to will. Lets fix what actually needs to be fixed.

Bhelmet · 01-24-2013, 06:11 AM

We don't necessarily need a STUD. We do need someone who can do enough to help open others up. We need someone who at least garners respect and hopefully requires Safety help. It would be nice having someone open in that part of the field, but it does not mean we need to overspend for someone. That WR also needs to understand he will not be the focus of the O. Hopefully, the team finds someone like that.

moejr · 01-24-2013, 02:48 PM

Moss disappeared because McDaniels kept calling the long bomb to him and the D played him double triple coverage all night. We were predictable and the Giants took advantage.

DropKickFlutie · 01-24-2013, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by moejr

Moss disappeared because McDaniels kept calling the long bomb to him and the D played him double triple coverage all night. We were predictable and the Giants took advantage.

Similarly, the Patriots' recent losses are because once a team stops the offense from passing in the middle 20 yards of the field, the team gets stopped especially in the red zone. Sure the team could use a better outside WR but every single team has certain flaws, the difference is adapting instead of sticking to the same thing that may have gotten you there but is being stopped in a playoff game.

tonyto3690 · 01-28-2013, 11:28 AM

Having a stud WR won't do anything. It's not about stretching the field. It's not about scoring 50 points a game in the playoffs. It's about having a defense that doesn't get scorched in the secondary and can generate a push at the LOS and having an offense that can simply control the clock and move the chains. We saw that against the Texans. Against the Ravens without Talib/Chandler we were completely sunk. We're close, but need to keep treking forward.

Adding a stud WR won't do anything in that regard. Gronkowski is a stud receiver that we sorely missed in the red area that will be back. We won SBs not because we had a top 3 offense of all time, we won SBs because we had an efficient offense that didn't turn the ball over, a strong special teams that was always an advantage and our defense could stop the run and the pass effectively.

On paper, having a Larry Fitzgerald of course makes our talent much better. But in the salary cap era, it's not realistic to add him and not simultaneously detract from our defense. You can't have both. I'd rather have a mediocre #2 WR and a very good pass rushing DT than a big name, overpaid, wideout.

tonyto3690 · 01-28-2013, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Claremonster

How about not choosing either/or and get BOTH!!!! Think about it.

Why would you want to limit yourself in a chess game?

Not a 2nd round Bethel Johnson. I mean a legit 1st for once.

Because it's a complete waste of materials and will do nothing but make our defense even worse. Having the GOAT offense doesn't mean anything if your defense can't stop anyone.

All that firepower on the Patriots offense in 2011 sure did us a whole lot of good on the sidelines as Eli drove 80 yards for a game winning TD in the Superbowl.