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Old 01-23-2013, 09:36 PM   #51
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The Ravens completed 1 pass to a WR in the first half. We need a deep threat to get to the SB.
Yeah, I swear people see what they want to see. I don't think many people came away from that game saying "Boy, the Pats had no answer for Torrey Smith". In fact, I was saying that Dennard did a good job neutralizing Smith.
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Old 01-23-2013, 09:37 PM   #52
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Smith is a deep threat but not physical. Dennard was bullying him all game.

Press coverage will completely neutralize him.
Yeah, I thought Dennard did a great job on Smith. Beat him up. Too bad the Pats didn't have Talib to do the same with Boldin.
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TBH, I was surprised Dennard didn't get called for a lot of illegal contact and holding. But, they really weren't calling it either way.
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Yeah, I thought Dennard did a great job on Smith. Beat him up. Too bad the Pats didn't have Talib to do the same with Boldin.
Disappointed Wilson wasn't on him. Boldin is really a TE playing as a WR.
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The Patriots have been overachievers the past two years. It doesn't have the talent to compensate for injuries, and it wins so much because it puts in 99% effort in the regular season and plays with terrific schemes to mask its deficiencies.

But in the playoffs a good team at 99% will not beat emotional, talented teams that play at 100%. It's what happened against the Giants in 2011 and the Ravens in 2012.
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So what if Smith didn't go nuts on the Pats? He did on the Broncos and that was enough to make the Pats game plan against him.

The legitimate threat of a deep pass being completed. Smith may be inconsistent - he's also capable of being deadly, just ask the Broncos - but he's enough of a factor to change a defense. The Ravens played up and crowded the short to medium routes all game making life difficult for Brady.

To say getting a guy like Smith - big and very fast - who can get open more often than Smith and can catch the ball more consistently wouldn't help the Pats makes zero sense. Every player who can get free makes trouble for the opposition. Getting open down field generates more opportunity.

One of the main reasons Gronk is so effective is because he's open further down field than most TE's all the time. He changes the O for the better, as would a legit deep threat.
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So what if Smith didn't go nuts on the Pats? He did on the Broncos and that was enough to make the Pats game plan against him.

The legitimate threat of a deep pass being completed. Smith may be inconsistent - he's also capable of being deadly, just ask the Broncos - but he's enough of a factor to change a defense. The Ravens played up and crowded the short to medium routes all game making life difficult for Brady.

To say getting a guy like Smith - big and very fast - who can get open more often than Smith and can catch the ball more consistently wouldn't help the Pats makes zero sense. Every player who can get free makes trouble for the opposition. Getting open down field generates more opportunity.

One of the main reasons Gronk is so effective is because he's open further down field than most TE's all the time. He changes the O for the better, as would a legit deep threat.
The Pats had a deep decoy like that in 2010, and they thought so highly of him that they traded him and replaced him with Deion Branch
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The Patriots had the #1 offense in the league this year in points scored, even with Gronk out 8 games. Obviously Gronk is a lethal weapon when he is healthy. This Pats offense is already LOADED, some of the posts here sound like old Colts fans claiming Peyton wasn't surrounded with great weapons to explain why he repeatedly choked.

The Patriots had a 1300 yard running back. 2 different great 3rd-down RB's. Two great tight ends with different strengths, and maybe the best slot receiver in history. Sure having a deep threat would be nice, but that is NOT the reason the Pats offense has choked with low point totals in big playoff games. One could always nitpick one relative area of weakness and say "if only we had X" that would solve everything.

The Patriots going 1 for 5 in the red zone against Baltimore had NOTHING to do with the lack of a stud WR. And while Gronk is amazing, his absence shouldn't be the easy excuse for why the team was so bad in the red zone.
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So what if Smith didn't go nuts on the Pats? He did on the Broncos and that was enough to make the Pats game plan against him.

The legitimate threat of a deep pass being completed. Smith may be inconsistent - he's also capable of being deadly, just ask the Broncos - but he's enough of a factor to change a defense. The Ravens played up and crowded the short to medium routes all game making life difficult for Brady.

To say getting a guy like Smith - big and very fast - who can get open more often than Smith and can catch the ball more consistently wouldn't help the Pats makes zero sense. Every player who can get free makes trouble for the opposition. Getting open down field generates more opportunity.

One of the main reasons Gronk is so effective is because he's open further down field than most TE's all the time. He changes the O for the better, as would a legit deep threat.
What do you think the difference is if we line up Deion Branch (or whoever) and send him deep vs Torry Smith. What do you think a defense does?
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This Post is almost like saying Welker like Receivers and Hern type TE won't fix anything if we lose them next season because we didnt win the SB this year. Losing Neal during the game was a big reason we lost. Moss would have really helped.
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What do you think the difference is if we line up Deion Branch (or whoever) and send him deep vs Torry Smith. What do you think a defense does?
Probably double team Smith or PI cos he is deadly when going deep. A variety of things can happen.
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