Sciz

You can have a strong desire for a big WR for all I care, but calling it a "need" is absolutely incorrect.

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coolguy

Don't let those last drives fool you

The giants had a bad secondary that could be exposed by fast receivers...the patriots had none

The patriots couldn't get into giants territory with 57 seconds left to go because they lacked a deep threat that stretch the field.


When the last time the patriots had a 4th quarter comeback win?

supafly

The major bulk of all Patriot playoff victories from the 96 SB year on through their 2007 SB appearance were due to holding the other team to scoring in the single digits and teens. It wasn't predicated on enormous offensive potential, which has recently failed us despite setting records year in and year out.

This offense is fine. It's worlds better than any of their SB winning ones.

The offense is absolutely tailor made to take advantage of all of the players' strengths (including Brady obviously) by completing high percentage passes that take advantage of one-on-one matchups in the shorter area, to make pre-snap adjustments based on everyone reading their assignments ahead of time, to take personnel mismatches and exploit them, and to prevent turning the ball over...which is the single most important factor of any statistic in a relationship to winning.

When the defense gave up 3 TD's in the last 20 minutes of Sunday's game when it was a 1 point game in the 4th quarter, the only thing you could think of was changing everything despite enormous success, and our "need" for a downfield threat?

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supafly

First off, if the NYG secondary was playing so lousy and could be exploited by fast receivers, it surely was covered up in their postseason runs over powerful high scoring offenses like Green Bay, SF, Atlanta, etc.

At one point Brady completed 17 straight passes in the game, and yet you're trying to tell me that they didn't have the offensive potential to win? That's ridiculous. They were winning with 2:30 left in the game...again.

How about if Welker catches the pass? They easily win the game. How about if Eli doesn't pull one out of his butt again like the first matchup? They easily win the game.

Look, the "problem" with our offense is that Brady and Co. are expected to score 30+ points every single time, which isn't even partially reasonable. When you face better competition in the playoffs where the talent gap is narrowed and teams are riding momentum, you simply aren't going to be able to score 30+ points in every single game. That's absurd.

The defense needs to be able to hold onto a lead, not to mention the fact that they need to be able to win in close, low scoring matchups. That hasn't been getting done lately, as their defensive outputs are 33, 28, and 28 in three of their last four playoff losses.

Giving up 33, 28, and 28 is not an acceptable way to play in the season's most important games when the postseason rolls around. The odds of our team scoring 30+ in every single matchup fall dramatically at that time of the year due to many factors. I am unsure of why this is difficult to understand?

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coolguy

I said not having a deep threat made the two giants super bowls harder for the patriots offense.

"This offense is fine. It's worlds better than any of their SB winning ones." Also, Not as efficient as those sb winning ones in the postseason.

Sciz

The Pats didn't have a deep threat in the first Giants Super Bowl?

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supafly

We had a downfield threat in the 2007 SB. He had one of the most dominant years ever for any kind of outside threat in the history of the game, and set records doing so.

And if you look at the offensive numbers and scoring output, you'll clearly see that this current offense is indeed, more efficient than the SB winning ones.

Maybe you need a memory refresher during those SB years?

2001

Won 16-13 vs OAK in the divisional round

Won 24-17 vs PIT in the AFCCG (defense scored a ST TD, so offense scores 17)

Won 20-17 vs STL in the SB (defense scored a TD, so offense scored 13)

2003

Won 17-14 vs TEN in the divisional round

Won 24-14 vs IND in the AFCCG

2004

Won 20-3 vs IND in the divisional round

Won 24-21 vs PHI in the SB




There are SEVEN games in that era where the defense gave up an average of 14 points a game, and won ALL 7 of them.

In comparison, the offense scored an average of 18.7 points in those 7 games, all which were wins.

When you look at 7 key wins during that 3 yr stretch of the dynasty, and see that we won on average by a score of 18.7 to 14, I fail to see what you are getting at?

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bradytovereen

Defense and timely offense win championships. The 01-03-04 offenses didn't have the talent or regular season production the current teams have had, but they made the plays when it counted most. I remember Belichick going for it on 4th down at about our own 45 yard line on an opening drive in the Peyton Manning 4 INT snow game, because he was that confident we would get the job done, and if we didn't, would make a stop on defense.

This team will be a SB contender as long as Belichick and Brady are on the team, but in 01-04, especially 03 and 04, we're forgetting, we had the best team in the league by far. I don't know about you guys, but I watched those games just knowing that we were going to win because no one was even on our level. And that was due to the dominating, physical defense and a more timely offense.

Welker to me represents what's wrong with the current team...puts up a bunch of regular season numbers and makes drops when it matters the most. Overpaying him would be a tragedy.

The Ravens beat us the same way we used to beat the Colts. The Ravens offense wasn't anything amazing, they just didn't turn the ball over and capitalized on their opportunities. That's the formula for a championship more often than not.

A lot of people were upset at the "we physical, they finesse" comments by the Ravens players before the game, but that's the same thing we used to say about the Colts.

coolguy

Randy moss was a terrible route runner and was taken out of the postseason as a patriot
1 reception against the jaguars
1 reception against the chargers
5 receptions for 48 yards against the ravens
5 receptions for 62 yards and a touchdown in the superbowl

Brady needs a fast receiver that can run routes.

Deus Irae

Moss was "taken out", as you say, by teams doubling and tripling him. Despite that, he was still getting open.

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