Mangini: The Ravens did to the Patriots what the Patriots used to do to the Colts - New England Patriots Forums

Palm Beach Pats Fan · 01-22-2013, 09:32 AM

Eric Mangini was on to discuss the keys to the game on Mike and Mike this morning.

Basically he said that it was obvious from early on that roughing up wide receivers was NOT going to be called at all, and that this disrupted the Patriots offense. He specifically pointed out an early no call where Lloyd took a two-handed shot to the face as he was trying to get off the line, and other instances where there was a lot of contact beyond 5 yards.

Mangini was giving the view of a defensive coach, mind you, and he was NOT criticizing the officials, but rather pointing out that the Ravens were extremely wise to take note of this, and they effectively used it to their maximum advantage.

He further said that it was in fact very similar to his own approach, when he was on the Patriots staff, to defending the Colts receivers. This would include the playoff game where Bill Polian famously blew a gasket over the lack of calls for being too physical with Colts receivers.

We need to have in our arsenal a tactic to deal with this.

We could be Colts about it and whine for "better" officiating, or we could attempt to get our receivers better prepared to either avoid such contact or (my preference) to dish it out just as much.

That may require being less "smurfy" at wideout.

I posted this in the "NFL conspiracy" thread, so I'm sorry for the redundancy, but that thread is idiotic and is likely bound for the practice squad so I though it was worthwhile to discuss on its own merit.

DocHoliday · 01-22-2013, 09:36 AM

We had posters going around claiming the Ravens weren't being anymore physical with us than any other team.

There's a reason we didn't "make plays". Mangini is correct.

PATSYLICIOUS · 01-22-2013, 09:49 AM

That's a pretty fair analogy IMO. You could tell by the Welker and Lloyd key drops, it interfered with our timing and the DB's were clearly in their heads. Just got punched in the mouth that day.

Nunchucks · 01-22-2013, 09:51 AM

Patriots need an outside WR who can get physical with the DBs, a Dez Bryant kind of guy.

condon84 · 01-22-2013, 09:53 AM

When we beat the Colts, we outplayed them. Same thing with what happened with the Ravens outplaying us Sunday. People can rationalize it however they want to. It's not like the Ravens employed a new tactic we've never seen before. They just did it better than anybody. And our guys just didn't meet the challenge.

PatsFan2 · 01-22-2013, 10:00 AM

We were really soft on Offense Brady looked scared Lloyd is a pansy and AHern dissappeared after the Ravens starting peppering them after the catch. Welker was the only one who earned his money on Offense. We are now the Texans of the AFC East. Until we get a dynamic force on the outsides we always be one and done...what waste of a season.

upstater1 · 01-22-2013, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Palm Beach Pats Fan

Eric Mangini was on to discuss the keys to the game on Mike and Mike this morning.

Basically he said that it was obvious from early on that roughing up wide receivers was NOT going to be called at all, and that this disrupted the Patriots offense. He specifically pointed out an early no call where Lloyd took a two-handed shot to the face as he was trying to get off the line, and other instances where there was a lot of contact beyond 5 yards.

Mangini was giving the view of a defensive coach, mind you, and he was NOT criticizing the officials, but rather pointing out that the Ravens were extremely wise to take note of this, and they effectively used it to their maximum advantage.

He further said that it was in fact very similar to his own approach, when he was on the Patriots staff, to defending the Colts receivers. This would include the playoff game where Bill Polian famously blew a gasket over the lack of calls for being too physical with Colts receivers.

We need to have in our arsenal a tactic to deal with this.

We could be Colts about it and whine for "better" officiating, or we could attempt to get our receivers better prepared to either avoid such contact or (my preference) to dish it out just as much.

That may require being less "smurfy" at wideout.

I posted this in the "NFL conspiracy" thread, so I'm sorry for the redundancy, but that thread is idiotic and is likely bound for the practice squad so I though it was worthwhile to discuss on its own merit.

I didn't see any of it, but Dennard was called at one point for contact about 8 or 9 yards down field.

MoneyFX · 01-22-2013, 10:06 AM

I'm basically saying what everyone else is saying here, get a physical WR with some speed that can fight for the football. Gronk is a physical receiver and he's a tight end. What the Patriots do at the WR position this offseason is going to be very interesting. So we just have to wait and see.

olschool · 01-22-2013, 10:09 AM

The Pats are now the Colts of ten years ago, with the league leading offense and a soft defense.

The answer isn't just bigger wide receivers, it's having a defense that can do the same to the Ravens that they did to the Pats.

That being said, the Ravens are a dirty cheap shot team as bad as any Raiders team that ever was.

Who cares, it's all about winning right ? After all, Harbaugh said that Pollards knock out helmet hit to Ridley was football at it's best. I guess we need another head hunting Rodney to even the score.

***KontradictioN*** · 01-22-2013, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by DocHoliday

AndyJohnson was going around claiming the Ravens weren't being anymore physical with us than any other team.

There's a reason we didn't "make plays". Mangini is correct.

I'm not sure what he was watching then because it was pretty apparent that they were being much more physical with our receivers than any team had been throughout the season. Mangini saw the film and saw the same thing. A big bodied, physical wide receiver that can threaten every level of the field to go with the TE's and (hopefully) Welker would be just what the doctor ordered for this offense.