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Ivan · 01-27-2013, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by JR4

4. Tom Brady. Think about his body language. Did he seem like
he was really playing to win? To me he didn't have that fire in his eyes.
His body language seemed to say " I already know what the outcome will be .. so why try hard .. I'll just do what I'm paid to do"

Thoughts?

My thought on this is that it is a bizarre idea. Anyone who has played sports has been involved in many games where they thought the officiating sucked, and if that's it took for Brady to check out then hang them up now. And if he believes or has knowledge of an actual conspiracy then he would have a real obligation to say something. beyond that there is absolutely no way all of these players are working the way they do and taking the punishment they take if they really believe the outcome is rigged

FredFromDartmouth · 01-27-2013, 04:36 PM

I do believe that many (if not most) NFL games are rigged. There are hundreds of millions of dollars gambled on each game and the refs get paid peanuts--you do the math.

It is easy for a ref to fix a game and it is through holding calls. Holding happens on every play and the ref can change the momentum of a game through some strategic holding calls--this was most obvious during the first Patriots / Ravens game. The Patriots had the Ravens reeling but bogus holding calls switched the momentum.

Also lack of holding calls can also influence a game. Notice how the Ravens got few if any holding calls in the last game

JR4 · 01-27-2013, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Ivan

My thought on this is that it is a bizarre idea. Anyone who has played sports has been involved in many games where they thought the officiating sucked, and if that's it took for Brady to check out then hang them up now. And if he believes or has knowledge of an actual conspiracy then he would have a real obligation to say something. beyond that there is absolutely no way all of these players are working the way they do and taking the punishment they take if they really believe the outcome is rigged

some good point here but I see this as a possibility:

1. TB didn't really know how the game was going to be called. But by the
end of the first half having seen his receivers often being mugged. he knew
how the game was going. Would he say something?
Like you and me he has no proof.

2. Players even if they thought the game was fixed will still play hard.
Why? because most will earn more in one year than others earn in 10 years. Also their job is on the line ... they must play at a high level to
continue getting that great salary.

Archeryaddict12 · 01-27-2013, 05:05 PM

Fixed for sure and you can tell all with Brady. Never was fired up like the texans game or niners. The problem now is $, and only a key player (s) coach and refs will know. Brady new. Seems like every game the pats have low points, Brady isn't Brady like which is fired up. Just like the SB last year, Brady gets a safety on the 1st play. That's not Brady. It's all storylines and $. I know several people that are non pats fans and don't buy the 13 points. Did anyone watch last years AFCCG compared to this one. Brady was fired up, not this years AFCCG.

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BrickPat · 01-27-2013, 06:16 PM

Don't you guys see? Sure the FBI took down the mafia and Bernie Madoff but Roger G. is too powerful to be stopped!

We have a pandemic of utter and unrelenting stupidity in this thread.

Tin Foil Hat Philosophy 101:

Controversial call goes against Pats = conspiracy!

Controversial call favors Pats = great and noble call!

I'm guessing there was a similar black helicopter waterhead thread on the Raiders messageboard after the tuck game of '01.

***Wolfpack*** · 01-27-2013, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by FredFromDartmouth

I do believe that many (if not most) NFL games are rigged. There are hundreds of millions of dollars gambled on each game and the refs get paid peanuts--you do the math.

I'll ask you the same thing I asked that other guy: If you honestly believe that, then why in the world are you a fan of the sport? Why come here to contribute thoughts on the recent games?

Quientus · 01-28-2013, 03:28 AM

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Originally Posted by TN patriot fan

I joined the forum because I've been a rabid football fan since I was seven years old, and I've been trying against all reason for several years now to deny what any rational adult who has eyes to see can't help but see, and the game last Sunday was crushing to me because I finally realized I can no longer support the sham, and I thought I would find kindred souls on a Patriots forum, people who saw what happened to our favorite team, and could commiserate, and perhaps even start a movement for change.

To the small handful of rational adults who posted on the thread: thank you for being decent, honest human beings.

To the rest of you braying mockers:

John 8:44
Proverbs 19:29
Isaiah 29:20

Last but definitely not least:

Matthew 12:36

I leave you to your deluded foolishness.

Child, please ...

Seriously ? This is your retort ? /sigh

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Originally Posted by JR4

I was away for a few days but when I left I had thought this thread was
dead. But I am amazed ... there are some people who can step out their
preconditioned view of reality and dare to question their established way
of thinking. People who are willing to re-examine their established precepts.

I was one of you who considered a NFL conspiracy to be absurd.
I had many of the same ideas that many of you have even to this day.
I believe the reason I held on to those beliefs was that if "fixing" was a reality
then I would not be able to enjoy this activity any longer.

So I resisted changing my point of view by accumulating many
reasons ( mostly unsubstantiated ) why there were no fixes in NFL. But
after people kept after me about this my disbelief began to turn to doubt.
Could I absolutely be sure there were no fixes?

Answer : No. and for one major reason.
The Reaon there has to be doubt is BILLIONs of dollars are involved.

In a game like the Superbowl there are BILLIONs of dollars involved. National media
is driven by how big an audience they can attract by
offering certain programming. The SuperBowl is not just about the Chicago
or New York market. It is about the Whole World Market. The polls went
out and the vast majority wanted to see a Ravens vs 49ers SuperBowl.
Guess what ... that is what they got.

Now several people have given reasons that tend to substantiate a
NFL conspiracy theory but there is no unequivocal proof that it is true.
As some one said a good conspiracy is very difficult to prove.
There was some kinda of proof that went like
" if it doesn't fit you must acquit". If that were the way I decide on truth
then I would be delusional.

Several people want this thread moved or locked but credit to the moderators for allowing free expression.
This is a topic that is important to all of us fans and it directly concerns
the state of American Football today.

Peace to all those with ruffled feathers. I can still enjoy the game of football
as long as I don't expect a certain outcome.
It is entertainment and there are magnificent thrilling plays seen in every game.

If your assessment (sp?) is to be even remotely plausible and to have even a grain of truth to it, it would mean Way too many people would have to be in on it and that practically EVERY game EVERY season is rigged ..., oh btw the election is rigged too you know ...

/Sigh ...

zoostation · 01-28-2013, 05:29 AM

I'm amazed to see this thread is still alive.

patsfan-1982 · 01-28-2013, 05:36 AM

was it conspiracy when the pats did the same thing to the rams in 2001 ? you win some you lose some end of story

RayClay · 01-28-2013, 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by JR4

You make good points. But NO points in the second half? come on while
Ravens D is good they are not that good. We have all seen PATs make
mistakes like you mentioned but come back stronger to over come.
(SF game to wit )

They seem to have no fight, no desire and that may
have had to do with Brady's body language.
Tell me this was the Brady you are use to seeing on the side lines walking
up an down firing player up?

So, you think Brady was replaced by a doppelganger?