Deus Irae

Using your list and just looking for 3 players to knock Flacco out of the top 10, which was your cutoff line:

Wilson and RG3 were both better than Flacco this season, as was the Smith/Kaepernick duo, so if you're going by this season only, Flacco's out of the top 10. Romo and Rivers have historically been better than Flacco, and Stafford had become so prior to this season, so if you're using the entire body of work approach, Flacco's out of the top 10.

Flacco's not a top 10 QB. He's in the 11-15 range

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Dscola

I would never put Rivers, Stafford, and Romo above Flacco. They are the type of QBs who will be 24-36 for 400 yards 3tds and 2ints. The tds are in the first half while the game is still young and the ints are in the fourth quarter of a tie game while they're in field goal range.
As for the younger guys. I agree that they may be the top of the heap for the next 10 years but I need to see more of them to put them up in the top 10

Deus Irae

That's the homer in you. All three have clearly been better than Flacco.

Again, if you're judging based on this season, they were better than Flacco, without question. If you're not just using one season, you've got no business putting Flacco ahead of the 3 from above. Either way, Flacco's outside the top 10.

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kennyb

flacco is a little whacko with those long balls. But other times he's a little mentally vacant, IMO, makes mistakes.

This would be the perfect time to have him throw a 4 int day and get blown out. Perfect timing for our author.

Dscola

I'm going by career accomplishments'

The three QBs named have done nothing but choke their whole careers. Everytime they get into a big game, they choke. Stafford vs the Pack, Rivers vs the Broncos, and Romo every freaking game. Flacco may not throw for 5000 yds but he also won't throw crucial picks to lose the game either. He is amongst the best in the league for his career in protecting the ball.

As for the young guys. I agree they were definitly better this year but I'd have to see how they do going forward before I place them ahead of the vets.

ivanvamp

I agree with you 100% on this, Deus. You may now pick yourself up off the floor.

My point was simply that Eli has proven to be a good NFL quarterback that has led his team to two SB titles and it's ludicrous to put him in the same class as Fitzpatrick. I wouldn't put him with Brady, Brees, Rodgers, or Peyton either, of course.

BSR

This is my problem with your list. The difference between the top 4 and the next four is very big. The difference from that later group and the next group of four, whomever they are, isn't so big. Those top 4 are really in a class by themselves and then the next big group can be moved around depending on the argument. If someone calls a QB elite or upper echelon I really think of that top group, and I am not ready to put Flacco there.

Bravo777

Ugh, someone get Peter King a diaper, he's got crap coming out his mouth again.

Dscola

I see your point and I agree. Maybe our disagreement is in the phrase, "upper echelon."

There is no way those top four guys are being touched anytime soon. They are truley "Elite"

I take upper Echelon to mean the top 10 in the league and those who win on a consistent basis. This is where I think Flacco belongs. In that next 4-8 qbs. I think he's in the top half of the next tier of qbs. Just my opinion.

I accept your argument and respecfully agree with your point.

goheels22002

This is a nice parlor game while we watch the seconds tick by until game time. My current top ten definitely includes the 4 guys left standing as a starting point, so I'd go:

Brady
Rodgers
Peyton Manning
Brees
Roethlisberger (if healthy)
Eli Manning
Matt Ryan
Joe Flacco
Matt Stafford
Colin Kaepernick (only because he stepped up huge against the Packers).

Stafford is the guy who would be a top-five NFL quarterback if he was playing for a team with a good offensive line and a team with a few more skill players. He's being asked to pull a rabbit out of his hat every week. Let's put it this way, if Matt Stafford were the QB of the Ravens, we'd be freaking out right now.

Andrew Luck is my #10A - he's got the goods and will be a top 10 when the geezers get out of the way. Russell Wilson is 10B. Both guys need to do it for more than one year.

Romo is prolific but has shown no ability to handle the important games, or even the almost important games. He's the Dan Quayle of NFL quarterbacks.

RG3 doesn't have the survival skills to make my top 10. That has to be a highly developed skill.

Funny that Matt Schaub and Phillip Rivers didn't enter my mind as a top 10 option. Rivers doesn't have the work ethic to do the job and cost his coach his job, and Schaub just found out how far he has to go.