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Brady and Manning have had *nearly identical* defensive support over 12yrs(DVOA rank)
So, has the Pats D been better than the Colts/Bronco's D in supporting their QB?
Well, I compared the defensive DVOA rankings for each team's D, starting in 2001. Both QBs missed a year, so it evens out. 2001 seemed like a fair year to start; it was Brady's first year and for Peyton it was just one year before Tony Dungy arrived in Indy. Anyhow, the numbers averaged out to be pretty similar. Way more than I expected.
Observations:
- Brady's D had 3 top-ten seasons. Manning's had 4.
- NE had 8 seasons in the top half of the NFL, Peyton's D had 7 seasons.
- Both have their highest ranking at 2nd.
- Brady's D has 3 seasons at 20th or worse. Manning has 4.
- NE and IND bottom-out at 30th and 29th respectively.
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Defensive Rankings per Football Outsiders DVOA:
Year Rank/Team Rank/Team
2012 15 NE 5 DEN
2011 30 NE 27 IND*
2010 18 NE 24 IND
2009 16 NE 15 IND
2008 21 NE* 10 IND
2007 12 NE 2 IND
2006 7 NE 25 IND
2005 27 NE 5 IND
2004 6 NE 19 IND
2003 2 NE 13 IND
2002 14 NE 16 IND
2001 13 NE 29 IND
--- --- ---
Ave. 14.5 average 14.8 average
*QB Did Not Play (not counted for average)
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Re: Brady and Manning have had *nearly identical* defensive support over 12yrs(DVOA r
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Originally Posted by Shockt327
So, has the Pats D been better than the Colts/Bronco's D in supporting their QB?
Well, I compared the defensive DVOA rankings for each team's D, starting in 2001. Both QBs missed a year, so it evens out. 2001 seemed like a fair year to start; it was Brady's first year and for Peyton it was just one year before Tony Dungy arrived in Indy. Anyhow, the numbers averaged out to be pretty similar. Way more than I expected.
Observations:
- Brady's D had 3 top-ten seasons. Manning's had 4.
- NE had 8 seasons in the top half of the NFL, Peyton's D had 7 seasons.
- Both have their highest ranking at 2nd.
- Brady's D has 3 seasons at 20th or worse. Manning has 4.
- NE and IND bottom-out at 30th and 29th respectively.
Code:
Defensive Rankings per Football Outsiders DVOA:
Year Rank/Team Rank/Team
2012 15 NE 5 DEN
2011 30 NE 27 IND*
2010 18 NE 24 IND
2009 16 NE 15 IND
2008 21 NE* 10 IND
2007 12 NE 2 IND
2006 7 NE 25 IND
2005 27 NE 5 IND
2004 6 NE 19 IND
2003 2 NE 13 IND
2002 14 NE 16 IND
2001 13 NE 29 IND
--- --- ---
Ave. 14.5 average 14.8 average
*QB Did Not Play (not counted for average)
This is a keeper......nice job
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Re: Brady and Manning have had *nearly identical* defensive support over 12yrs(DVOA r
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Originally Posted by Shockt327
So, has the Pats D been better than the Colts/Bronco's D in supporting their QB?
Well, I compared the defensive DVOA rankings for each team's D, starting in 2001. Both QBs missed a year, so it evens out. 2001 seemed like a fair year to start; it was Brady's first year and for Peyton it was just one year before Tony Dungy arrived in Indy. Anyhow, the numbers averaged out to be pretty similar. Way more than I expected.
Observations:
- Brady's D had 3 top-ten seasons. Manning's had 4.
- NE had 8 seasons in the top half of the NFL, Peyton's D had 7 seasons.
- Both have their highest ranking at 2nd.
- Brady's D has 3 seasons at 20th or worse. Manning has 4.
- NE and IND bottom-out at 30th and 29th respectively.
Code:
Defensive Rankings per Football Outsiders DVOA:
Year Rank/Team Rank/Team
2012 15 NE 5 DEN
2011 30 NE 27 IND*
2010 18 NE 24 IND
2009 16 NE 15 IND
2008 21 NE* 10 IND
2007 12 NE 2 IND
2006 7 NE 25 IND
2005 27 NE 5 IND
2004 6 NE 19 IND
2003 2 NE 13 IND
2002 14 NE 16 IND
2001 13 NE 29 IND
--- --- ---
Ave. 14.5 average 14.8 average
*QB Did Not Play (not counted for average)
This would be a great addition to the Manning hatorade thread.
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Re: Brady and Manning have had *nearly identical* defensive support over 12yrs(DVOA r
By the looks of that thing, you could actually make an argument Manning's had it a bit better. While the averages are in the Patriot's favor, Tom's had 3 top 10 defenses, to Manning's 4.
Re: Brady and Manning have had *nearly identical* defensive support over 12yrs(DVOA r
I can tell you that if you showed that to a Manning fan boy the first thing they would point out is Mannings 2006 defense vs Brady's 01,03,04 but of course that would be ignoring the 3TD 7INT playoff performance where his defense carried him.
Re: Brady and Manning have had *nearly identical* defensive support over 12yrs(DVOA r
I'm at the point in my life where I truly believe I have enough arguments to thoroughly dismantle any kind of attempt someone makes at stating Manning > Brady. Really, I can't think of a single scenario that would make me think twice. Thanks to the fact Tebow won a playoff game with Denver last year, and Luck led a worse Colts team to a better record than Manning had with them in 2010, even the "Matt Cassel won 11 games, lol" argument has an extremely effective counter.
Re: Brady and Manning have had *nearly identical* defensive support over 12yrs(DVOA r
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Originally Posted by RodThePat
I'm at the point in my life where I truly believe I have enough arguments to thoroughly dismantle any kind of attempt someone makes at stating Manning > Brady. Really, I can't think of a single scenario that would make me think twice. Thanks to the fact Tebow won a playoff game with Denver last year, and Luck led a worse Colts team to a better record than Manning had with them in 2010, even the "Matt Cassel won 11 games, lol" argument has an extremely effective counter.
.... and every year, the evidence seems to be getting more and more heavily weighted in Brady's favor.
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Re: Brady and Manning have had *nearly identical* defensive support over 12yrs(DVOA r
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Originally Posted by Deus Irae
.... and every year, the evidence seems to be getting more and more heavily weighted in Brady's favor.
It would be extremely ironic if, in the year Manning gets his 5th MVP, the argument for him being better than Brady dies as Tom wins his 4th title. That would be borderline poetic.
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