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Old 11-16-2012, 08:31 PM   #1
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The former ST coach seems to think that whomever votes or sets the criteria has it wrong. And not just about kickers. There is little rhyme or reason to the selection process. Some guys never win but get in on stats. Others win a lot but never put up stats. Some guys were pretty good for a long time. Others were otherworldly but only for a brief time. It really is a joke. As are most things the spin or agenda driven media votes on. They seldom do any better than biased and uninformed fans. Or coaches playing politics or players who are often more impressionable and knuckleheaded than any group.

Should probably have a blue ribbon committee handling the final voting. And one day Bill should have a seat on that committee along with several geniune football historians who can look past the hoopla and spin and agenda driven politics.

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Ray guy baby!
5 yrs after Adam V retires, there will be two!
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“He’s certainly one of the greatest kickers I’ve ever seen since I’ve been in the league [1975]. The longevity, the production, the performance in championships and big games, ...
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I mean, what more could he do? What more could he do? Go out and play wide receiver and catch a bunch of passes. I don’t know
Ahem *Gino clears throat*

You mean like 292 career receptions, 7 seasons of 30 or more with a 15.7 yard average?
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Ray Guy slammed the HOF this week for ignoring the punters. Today, Belichick's comments question the criteria for induction into HOF and indirectly supported Ray Guy's complaint regarding the HOF.
I expect Peter King to have a long piece in his weekly MMQB regarding the place of kickers and punters in HOF. King has been known to defend the HOF selection committee and the same time is about the only writer who tries to bring some transparency to the HOF selection process.
Ray Guy referred to one powerful individual on the selection committee known to make or break selections. Anybody have any idea who this person might be?
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What they need to do is open up a slot in the voting for special teams. Like it or not there are 3 phases in this game and they should be rewarded for their contributions.

Is someone like Devon Hester gonna have no shot because he was a subpar wr? He is the best we've seen in this decade.

Shane Lechler? Again best in this decade.

There are a lot of gunners/aces that were overlooked over the century that were the best at their position for many years during their careers. Its time they were rewarded.
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Gale Sayers and Joe Namath being in the HOF completely invalidates the importance of being in the HOF.
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Gale Sayers and Joe Namath being in the HOF completely invalidates the importance of being in the HOF.


Gayle Sayers was Emmitt Smith + Barry Sanders + Devin Hester (returner), though his career was cut short by injuries + lack of medical technology, during his time n the league he dominated the games he played in.

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What they need to do is open up a slot in the voting for special teams. Like it or not there are 3 phases in this game and they should be rewarded for their contributions.

Is someone like Devon Hester gonna have no shot because he was a subpar wr? He is the best we've seen in this decade.

Shane Lechler? Again best in this decade.

There are a lot of gunners/aces that were overlooked over the century that were the best at their position for many years during their careers. Its time they were rewarded.
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Ray guy baby!
5 yrs after Adam V retires, there will be two!
Absolutely!! Best clutch kicker I've ever seen.

It's a shame he ever left the Patriots. Something about the Patriots and a cap on the $$ value slotted for the kicking position......

Might have won that 1st SB against the Giants had Vin still been here. Still can't figure out why BB refused to let Gost try that kick.
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It's becoming increasingly clear to me that there is something wrong with a process that turns the decision over HOF admission to 44 sports writers or mediots, who are beholden (for access, interviews and their very livelihood) to the teams on whose players they are going to vote for admission. Many of these electors have been on the committee for years, if not decades.

The entire process is incestuous, dishonest and heavily tilted towards large media markets or specific teams' markets.

The "At Large" electors are all from major markets; Florida has four votes (two in Miami); New York has two votes; Pennsylvania has two votes; the Bay Area has two votes; Texas has two votes; Green Bay and Chicago combine for two very proximate votes in Illinois and Wisconsin; Cincinnati and Cleveland each have a vote in Ohio...but the entire New England region has one vote. You are not going to convince me that someone is more inclined to vote for players whom he has followed closely for years.

Imagine, for example, the direct or subtle pressure that can be brought to bear on a Peter King by teams whose alumni are up for consideration; the quality of his columns and TV spots is a direct function of his ability to get information that you and I do not have about teams and players and then make beaucoup bucks by packaging and disseminating that information on SI and ESPN. The fact that Peter King himself might be purer than Caesar's wife is irrelevant; the potential for corruption and unfairness is just too great.

That is more or less the definition of a "corrupt system."


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