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Old 06-02-2012, 10:13 PM   #1
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New Orleans Saints' bounty scandal underscores the danger of hard hits and brain trauma - Yahoo! Sports

I love how certain people in the media are so happy and quick to state emphatically that "Everyone is doing it" in regards to the Saints Bountygate scandal. Yet, these same buffoons refused to acknowledge that EVERYONE Was taping signals, or using binoculars and a steno pad to attempt to steal them etc etc.....Where were these aholes back then when everyone was roasting the Pats in a ridiculous WITCH hunt?? Every freaking coach, scout, player, owner etc is participating in trying to figure out the opponents defensive signals.....they ALL DO IT.....and have been since Pro Football began!!! Hell, they work like heck to figure out the signals in college too!!! EVERYONE DOES IT!

With Bountygate....are most teams encouraging their guys to go out there and crush/hurt the other teams offensive players? Of course they are.....don't disagree that there is probably a loosely drawn up bounty program on most every team.......Difference with the Saints is that they had so many skeletons in the closet and allowed too much stuff to hit the media.......
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Players werent heavily involved in taping signals, they are heavily involved in bounties. Players are being vocal in defending the saints, they werent with the patriots because they have no friggin idea what their coaches are doing. After the media outrage and fan base outrage against the pats there was no way a current coach would admit to it, even though Jimmy johnson did and no one cared. It is what it is, we just have to accept that.
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Or so says this writer in the following article......

New Orleans Saints' bounty scandal underscores the danger of hard hits and brain trauma - Yahoo! Sports

I love how certain people in the media are so happy and quick to state emphatically that "Everyone is doing it" in regards to the Saints Bountygate scandal. Yet, these same buffoons refused to acknowledge that EVERYONE Was taping signals, or using binoculars and a steno pad to attempt to steal them etc etc.....Where were these aholes back then when everyone was roasting the Pats in a ridiculous WITCH hunt?? Every freaking coach, scout, player, owner etc is participating in trying to figure out the opponents defensive signals.....they ALL DO IT.....and have been since Pro Football began!!! Hell, they work like heck to figure out the signals in college too!!! EVERYONE DOES IT!

With Bountygate....are most teams encouraging their guys to go out there and crush/hurt the other teams offensive players? Of course they are.....don't disagree that there is probably a loosely drawn up bounty program on most every team.......Difference with the Saints is that they had so many skeletons in the closet and allowed too much stuff to hit the media.......
I have lots of those same thoughts. I have theories about why that discrepancy exists (BB vs. Payton in the media's eyes), but who the hell knows for sure? I'd be willing to bet that there were more teams taping than had formal bounty programs, but what I think and what I'd bet on don't mean a thing. Thinking that general opinion will ever change on how others view the Pats taping signals is a fool's errand and a waste of time and energy. Yet, it sticks in my craw and likely will forever.
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I have lots of those same thoughts. I have theories about why that discrepancy exists (BB vs. Payton in the media's eyes), but who the hell knows for sure? I'd be willing to bet that there were more teams taping than had formal bounty programs, but what I think and what I'd bet on don't mean a thing. Thinking that general opinion will ever change on how others view the Pats taping signals is a fool's errand and a waste of time and energy. Yet, it sticks in my craw and likely will forever.
I think much of it is due to an overly simplistic viewpoint from those that think they know the game but really don't. "Oh, I know what the defense is doing; all I have to do is this and it's an easy touchdown", while the other is "players hit each other every play, therefore there is zero difference and this means nothing".

However, I do believe the public perception of Belichick (and the fact that many in the media didn't like him) had a very large role in the way the event was reported by the media, and that in turn shaped how it was received by the public at large.

Another way to look at it is this: suppose the two events were reversed, and the Patriots had a bounty program and the Saints were filming. Which event would have created more of a witch hunt and more of a public outcry? I guarantee it would still be what Belichick and his team did.
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duh , but also just kidding. I just knew it was going to end this way. I took my lumps but in the end a lot of teams are doing this, and thats going to come out.
Sorry Ron don't agree, media loves to destroy the SB darlings they built up as pure. I was taut that here. Same as they did to the Patriots. Theirs never been a bigger witch hunt than this in the NFL.

Its fine, not like we don't deserve it, but we also don't deserve to be the team to take ALL the blame for it either. It sucks being the BlackSOX's or Patriots spygate. But just because everyone else didn't fight it, don't hate us because we do. I think the Saints and fans fighting Goodell can have a very positive effect on the NFL.

Sometimes all a bully needs is a nose bleed to back off and think for a change.
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I've read that article and can't see anything that suggests other teams were involved in anything like this.
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duh , but also just kidding. I just knew it was going to end this way. I took my lumps but in the end a lot of teams are doing this, and thats going to come out.
Sorry Ron don't agree, media loves to destroy the SB darlings they built up as pure. I was taut that here. Same as they did to the Patriots. Theirs never been a bigger witch hunt than this in the NFL.

Its fine, not like we don't deserve it, but we also don't deserve to be the team to take ALL the blame for it either. It sucks being the BlackSOX's or Patriots spygate. But just because everyone else didn't fight it, don't hate us because we do. I think the Saints and fans fighting Goodell can have a very positive effect on the NFL.

Sometimes all a bully needs is a nose bleed to back off and think for a change.
Apparently you've taken so many lumps you now see things that aren't there (as apparently does the OP). Nowhere in this piece did it elude to any other teams doing what the Saints did. We know that lots of teams had player run pay for performance pools in existence. That is a violation of the cap rules. But it is not remotely on the same level as a bounty system run by and even participated in by coaches.
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