ARE YOU NEW HERE? NOT LOGGED IN? PLEASE TAKE A MOMENT TO REGISTER FOR AN ACCOUNT AND LOGIN TO REMOVE THIS WINDOW
Welcome to PatsFans.com. Do you have an account? If not - please take a moment to register for our forum and experience a much smoother experience with fewer ads, along with no longer having to see this notification window. Also learn about how you can receive a free Patriots T-Shirt from the Patriots Official ProShop by CLICKING HERE. Please enjoy your stay here, and Go Pats!
Re: Colts making more major cuts: Brackett, Addai, Clark, Bullitt
Quote:
Originally Posted by ausbacker
Unless they turn Andrew Luck into David Carr.
Which is very possible
FEATURED ADVERTISEMENT
DONATE TO PATSFANS.COM
RECEIVE A FREE PATS T-SHIRT AND SAVE 15% OFF WHEN YOU BUY FROM THE OFFICIAL PROSHOP!
Free T-Shirt & Save 15% Off!
Like Our Site? Please help support our site and server costs by DONATING TO PATSFANS.COM and receive a FREE PATRIOTS T-SHIRT and SAVE 15% off EVERY purchase you make from PatriotsProShop.com. You'll also receive added benefits to your account including Removing All Ads During Your Experience Here At Our Forum.
NEEDED YEARLY SITE DONATIONS: 345 | CURRENT # OF SUBSCRIBED SUPPORTERS: 98
Re: Colts making more major cuts: Brackett, Addai, Clark, Bullitt
Quote:
Originally Posted by RIpats88
I just dont get Irsay's thinking here...he is Gutting a roster of any NFL talent...
is this the way to bring up your "franchise QB" surrounding him with a bunch of scrubs and then throwing him to the lions??
This whole fostering a "losing" mentality throughout the organization will IMO backfire on them. there is no pride in the Colts organization.
the Bengals on the other hand, just rebuilt their team last year and ended up going to the playoffs..
Irsays plan is to go to the basement for 5years and hope Luck stands by them and develops properly in a dysfunctional organization
Young players are cheap players, and the Colts are going to be very young. Luck will take 2012 and 2013 to develop, the Colts will be drafting very high this year and next and, when the 2014 revenues jump up, the Colts will probably be in position to still draft high while adding some legitimate free agents. If they do things right, and Luck is the real deal, the Colts should become perennial contenders again in about 3 seasons.
__________________
"The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane."
- Marcus Aurelius
Re: Colts making more major cuts: Brackett, Addai, Clark, Bullitt
Quote:
Originally Posted by ausbacker
Unless they turn Andrew Luck into David Carr.
As someone who lived in Houston for the David Carr years, I have to note two things about David Carr.
1) The Texans tried, bringing in Tony Boselli, but he was shot. I will grant you their pass protection was poor, in fact, it was quite poor.
2) David Carr never, ever had the mental make-up to step up in the pocket when there was pressure coming from the edges. From day one, he would drift laterally, which often would put him under direct additional pressure and lead to bad hits. Sometimes his athleticism and scrambling would mask this tactical flaw, but he had it from the very beginning. He was the cause of many of his own sacks.
Luck illustrated more examples of stepping up in the pocket in his redshirt Freshman year that Carr did in years of play with the Texans.
Re: Colts making more major cuts: Brackett, Addai, Clark, Bullitt
Quote:
Originally Posted by rabidfireweasel
As someone who lived in Houston for the David Carr years, I have to note two things about David Carr.
1) The Texans tried, bringing in Tony Boselli, but he was shot. I will grant you their pass protection was poor, in fact, it was quite poor.
2) David Carr never, ever had the mental make-up to step up in the pocket when there was pressure coming from the edges. From day one, he would drift laterally, which often would put him under direct additional pressure and lead to bad hits. Sometimes his athleticism and scrambling would mask this tactical flaw, but he had it from the very beginning. He was the cause of many of his own sacks.
Luck illustrated more examples of stepping up in the pocket in his redshirt Freshman year that Carr did in years of play with the Texans.
Not that I disagree with your second point, but if the Colts fail to provide Luck (we'll assume he's going #1) with a stout O/L, it won't matter how poised he is in the pocket as you can't throw from the ground going or being slammed backwards. Carr's issues were compounded from the very beginning. A bad trait became worse.
Re: Colts making more major cuts: Brackett, Addai, Clark, Bullitt
Quote:
Originally Posted by ausbacker
Not that I disagree with your second point, but if the Colts fail to provide Luck (we'll assume he's going #1) with a stout O/L, it won't matter how poised he is in the pocket as you can't throw from the ground going or being slammed backwards. Carr's issues were compounded from the very beginning. A bad trait became worse.
Exactly. Another aspect is the overall position of the team itself too, on both offense and defense. A bad team with some bad breaks can take its toll on a new and somewhat green/nervous QB; especially one that comes with such high expectations as the #1 overall pick under a microscope.
I think there is a very realistic shot at Luck becoming nothing more than mediocre. It's not like we haven't seen it before a thousand times. One could even argue that the odds are against him succeeding, which is in direct contrast with the general consensus that he will surely be the coming savior of the franchise.
__________________
Patiently waiting to defend the next "bubble" player in this summer's training camp.....
Re: Colts making more major cuts: Brackett, Addai, Clark, Bullitt
FYI this is apparently the latest Colts roster including the cuts and assuming none of the UFA are re-signed. They tried to extend Garcon, but he declined their offer. Cupboard is pretty bare pending FA and the draft. Of course their 1st will add to the QB depth...
That OL is scary. Castonozo showed a little promise last season but Iljalana couldn't crack a weak starting lineup and when he finally went in due to injury he landed on IR. The rest are jags and backups. No starting center or guards to speak of.
WR and RB not looking much better. Collie and the Blair White experiment. No viable TE'-----------------------
Quarterbacks
-- Trevor Vittatoe
Running Backs
31 Donald Brown
34 Delone Carter
32 Darren Evans
47 Ryan Mahaffey FB
Wide Receivers
17 Austin Collie
12 Quan Cosby
16 Jarred Fayson
10 Jeremy Ross
15 Blair White
Tight Ends
81 Brody Eldridge
49 Chris Gronkowski FB
Offensive Linemen
74 Anthony Castonzo T
79 Ben Ijalana G/T
-- Jake Kirkpatrick C
72 Jeff Linkenbach T
60 Matt Murphy G/T
73 Seth Olsen G
76 Joe Reitz G/T
-- A. Q. Shipley C
67 Mike Tepper G/T
Defensive Linemen
99 Antonio Johnson NT
91 Ricardo Mathews DE
95 Fili Moala DE
94 Drake Nevis DE
64 Ollie Ogbu DE
Linebackers
97 Mario Addison OLB/DE
51 Pat Angerer ILB
53 Kavell Conner ILB
52 A. J. Edds ILB
-- Jerrell Freeman ILB
93 Dwight Freeney OLB/DE
-- Mario Harvey ILB
-- Justin Hickman OLB/DE
92 Jerry Hughes OLB/DE
56 Scott Lutrus ILB
98 Robert Mathis OLB/DE
-- Brandon Peguese OLB/DE
Defensive Backs
41 Antoine Bethea FS
30 David Caldwell SS
23 Terrence Johnson CB
26 Jermale Hines SS
20 Mike Holmes CB
37 Brandon King CB
35 Joe Lefeged SS
38 Mike Newton FS
25 Jerraud Powers CB
36 Chris Rucker CB
21 Kevin Thomas CB
Special Teams
1 Pat McAfee P
48 Justin Snow LS
4 Adam Vinatieri K
Re: Colts making more major cuts: Brackett, Addai, Clark, Bullitt
Quote:
Originally Posted by MoLewisrocks
FYI this is apparently the latest Colts roster including the cuts and assuming none of the UFA are re-signed. They tried to extend Garcon, but he declined their offer. Cupboard is pretty bare pending FA and the draft. Of course their 1st will add to the QB depth...
That OL is scary. Castonozo showed a little promise last season but Iljalana couldn't crack a weak starting lineup and when he finally went in due to injury he landed on IR. The rest are jags and backups. No starting center or guards to speak of.
WR and RB not looking much better. Collie and the Blair White experiment. No viable TE'-----------------------
Quarterbacks
-- Trevor Vittatoe
Running Backs
31 Donald Brown
34 Delone Carter
32 Darren Evans
47 Ryan Mahaffey FB
Wide Receivers
17 Austin Collie
12 Quan Cosby
16 Jarred Fayson
10 Jeremy Ross
15 Blair White
Tight Ends
81 Brody Eldridge
49 Chris Gronkowski FB
Offensive Linemen
74 Anthony Castonzo T
79 Ben Ijalana G/T
-- Jake Kirkpatrick C
72 Jeff Linkenbach T
60 Matt Murphy G/T
73 Seth Olsen G
76 Joe Reitz G/T
-- A. Q. Shipley C
67 Mike Tepper G/T
Defensive Linemen
99 Antonio Johnson NT
91 Ricardo Mathews DE
95 Fili Moala DE
94 Drake Nevis DE
64 Ollie Ogbu DE
Linebackers
97 Mario Addison OLB/DE
51 Pat Angerer ILB
53 Kavell Conner ILB
52 A. J. Edds ILB
-- Jerrell Freeman ILB
93 Dwight Freeney OLB/DE
-- Mario Harvey ILB
-- Justin Hickman OLB/DE
92 Jerry Hughes OLB/DE
56 Scott Lutrus ILB
98 Robert Mathis OLB/DE
-- Brandon Peguese OLB/DE
Defensive Backs
41 Antoine Bethea FS
30 David Caldwell SS
23 Terrence Johnson CB
26 Jermale Hines SS
20 Mike Holmes CB
37 Brandon King CB
35 Joe Lefeged SS
38 Mike Newton FS
25 Jerraud Powers CB
36 Chris Rucker CB
21 Kevin Thomas CB
Special Teams
1 Pat McAfee P
48 Justin Snow LS
4 Adam Vinatieri K
39Likes
Re: Colts making more major cuts: Brackett, Addai, Clark, Bullitt
Linear Mode
