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There's no reason to be "proud" to be a Patriots fan because the Raiders paid a great player, any more than there was reason to be "proud" to be a Seahawks fan when the Patriots made Wilfork the highest paid NT in the league.
I can appreciate any organization that builds winning teams from drafting well. I've got no problem with Seymour getting paid and remaining on the West Coast for the rest of his career. And re-signing your own guy is great until you can't tell that guy is past his prime and your paying him for his past successes.
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I can appreciate any organization that builds winning teams from drafting well. I've got no problem with Seymour getting paid and remaining on the West Coast for the rest of his career. And re-signing your own guy is great until you can't tell that guy is past his prime and your paying him for his past successes.
Seymour clearly had years to go. Being proud as a Patriots fan after the Seymour signing, when the Patriots blew that trade, is just folly.
And every team pays its players for past success.
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Seymour was 29 (30 a month later) when he was traded.
Wilfork was 29 in the first year of his deal.
They just didn't want to pay Seymour.
Not sure that they "blew the deal", though.
They blew the deal. I don't see how that's even questionable after watching the defense play these past 2 seasons. But I'm not going to get into it any more. At this point, if people want to delude themselves on the deal, there's nothing that's going to clear their thinking.
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They blew the deal. I don't see how that's even questionable after watching the defense play these past 2 seasons. But I'm not going to get into it any more. At this point, if people want to delude themselves on the deal, there's nothing that's going to clear their thinking.
Wow... I didn't realize that the Patriots were on the losing end of the deal when they traded Seymour to the Raiders. In fact, I think the deal will end up to be a wash for both teams UNLESS the Patriots end up landing a superstar with the 17th pick in the draft.
I will not and have never argued that the Patriots are better off WITHOUT Seymour on gameday. He is a one of the elite defensive linemen [over the course of his career] to play the game and will prove difficult to replace, both in character and talent.
With that said, trading a player two years early seems smarter than keeping a player 2 years too long. Especially when said player is due for a huge paycheck!
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Wow... I didn't realize that the Patriots were on the losing end of the deal when they traded Seymour to the Raiders. In fact, I think the deal will end up to be a wash for both teams UNLESS the Patriots end up landing a superstar with the 17th pick in the draft.
I will not and have never argued that the Patriots are better off WITHOUT Seymour on gameday. He is a one of the elite defensive linemen [over the course of his career] to play the game and will prove difficult to replace, both in character and talent.
With that said, trading a player two years early seems smarter than keeping a player 2 years too long. Especially when said player is due for a huge paycheck!
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They blew the deal. I don't see how that's even questionable after watching the defense play these past 2 seasons. But I'm not going to get into it any more. At this point, if people want to delude themselves on the deal, there's nothing that's going to clear their thinking.
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Re: OT: Seymour, Raiders strike 2-year deal
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They blew the deal. I don't see how that's even questionable after watching the defense play these past 2 seasons. But I'm not going to get into it any more. At this point, if people want to delude themselves on the deal, there's nothing that's going to clear their thinking.
What "deal" are you referring to as there are several angles? Pats blew the negotiations? Not get a better offer for Sey? Final draft slot not commensurate with his value? We don't know what player they will get with the pick so that isn't it. As you know they couldn't use the tag on him as they did with Cassel in 09 and they used it on Wilfork last year and chose to pay him instead of Sey.
The 2009 team would have been better but not a SB team. 2010 is a different story as I think Sey would have made a huge difference.
You can argue that they made a bad roster decision but not a bad deal IMO.
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Win some, lose some. I don't know why folks can't accept that we lost this one. We could ahve extended Seymour for say $11M a year. We would had the four years of Seymour instead of the Raiders. Instead we will have a #17 draft pick.
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Re: OT: Seymour, Raiders strike 2-year deal
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Win some, lose some. I don't know why folks can't accept that we lost this one. We could ahve extended Seymour for say $11M a year. We would had the four years of Seymour instead of the Raiders. Instead we will have a #17 draft pick.
Where is this $11m coming from? Was that the deal on the table and he rejected it?
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just a guess on what it would have taken for a 3-year extension
At the time, the patriots were dealing with the possibility of dealing with Mankins, Wilfork and Seymour in a potentially uncapped year. The team decided that Seymour was expendable. It was said at the time that the team couldn't possibily expect to sign both Seymour and Wilfork when their contract came due.
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Where is this $11m coming from? Was that the deal on the table and he rejected it?
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