Gwedd

I have finally hit the wall financially, this year, and my chances of EVER going to Gillette are pretty well non-existent. It seems insane that in a recession, these idiots would be pushing PSL's for ticket holders.

Ah well... I still have my flat-screen, a warm house and an icebox for the beer.

Tunescribe

Actually, there ARE advantages to owning PSLs IF (and a very big "if"), the initial prices are reasonably sane.

(1). They appreciate in value over time, so if/when you want to unload them you can do so at a profit.

(2). They keep ticket prices comparatively low.

(3). You can do whatever you want with your tickets without repercussions from the team -- i.e., sell them on eBay, etc.

(4). As owner by contract, you are guaranteed the same seats for as long as you purchase season tickets.

I bought two sets of PSLs in the Ravens' stadium when it opened, with the idea that I might be moving to the Baltimore area. Even though I decided not to move there I held onto them and paid for the season tickets each year, selling them on eBay for more than face value. Last year I decided to unload both sets. One set was goal line sideline seats 15 rows from the field; I paid $3k for the pair and sold them for $10k. The other set was end zone corner 30 row up from the field (under cover); I paid $1,500 for the pair and sold them for $8k. The team has a listing service where they broker the sale and transfer for 5 percent of the selling price. So, I made out pretty good, but those PSL prices were nowhere near in the same ballpark as what New Jersey is trying to extort.

zoostation

The flukish run by the Jets was the best thing that ever happend to Woody Johnson.

I know this is old news and I do give credit where credit is due, but the only quality win in their last 5 games was against the San Diego Chokers and Turner blew that one by not kicking off.

Actually their last 8 games.

blackglass3

Ok, so let me see if I understand. You buy a PSL for say Section 223 Row 24 Seats 5 and 6. I own the PSL's for those seats and once I buy the tickets I can sell them on stub hub, go to the game, raffle them off for a charity...whatever, correct?

Now, does this negate the whole "Waiting List" thing? I think I am using the wrong words, but I have read on here many times before of people who move up in the seats they get a chance to buy season tickets for. Example last year they were in the 300's and this year the Pats gave them a chance to move up and buy tix in the 200's of they want. Now if you have the PSL's for the 300 seats, do you have to sell the PSL's and then buy the PSL's for the 200 seats? Does the team put your 300's PSL money towards the 200's PSL you're going to buy?

Tunescribe

The Patriots don't have PSLs. When they send you your season ticket invoice you can fill out a form requesting a seating upgrade. They try to accommodate upgrades if they can, but that means someone else must vacate the upgrade seats you want. In my 16 years as a season ticket holder I've been upgraded once (this past season).

blackglass3

I know they don't, I was just using them as the example since it is the only football stadium I have been to in he last 10 years.

Thanks for the info, though. I never really understood it before.

TrueBeliever

I have to admit I didn't know about the first three. It never occurred to me you could re-sell a PSL - I thought you just paid it and then if you decided not to buy the tickets anymore, that was it. My view is probably skewed, though, by how the Packers paid for the renovation of their stadium - all the ticket holders were charged a flat fee per seat, and I thought that was the same as a PSL.

I was also under the impression that if you sold your tickets to someone and they did something to get thrown out of the stadium, you risked losing your season tickets... so you mean if you own the PSL, you can't lose them?

The second one I'm sure they can justify, but I don't agree with it.

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Tunescribe

My understanding is the only way you lose a PSL is by not purchasing your season tickets. I suppose egregious fan conduct violations would be handled on a case-by-case basis. Thing is, PSLs are expensive and both the team and seat owner sign a contract. Like I said, I openly sold my Ravens tickets on eBay, which I had the right to do as a PSL owner.