carolinatony

What he said.

I hope its not becase we won't pay for good coaches except BB.

furley

Um, what are you talking about? I gave no specific order of anything. I was just writing out loud. Of course I want a defensive coordinator in place. Did you not read my entire post?

BPF

As recently as 2006 Spagnuolo was a LB coach w/Eagles who not many people knew much about before he was DC for Giants in SB win. If the next DC is Patricia it doesn't mean he won't be successful because he's not a "name." I know someone who used to coach w/Patricia at Amhert and he told me that he is extremely intelligent and has a very aggressive approach to defense. Whether it's Pepper or Patricia or someone else outside of the organization it's going to be a combination of good coaching and good players that makes the defense perform better. Overall I think that Pees shortcomings were his conservative approach and his inability to make adjustments. It seemed like the defensive plan going in to games was good but as the game went on adjustments could not be made. I'm not saying Pees isn't a good football man either but some people can't make the right calls or adjustments when the heat is on. I also feel as though the Pats certainly need some playmakers, some game changers but there are some good pieces on this defense.

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STH since 1994....sec 236

TriplecHamp

Peyton Manning has had the same OC for his entire career...I want a guy that will do the same for the most part, at least 4 years.

mayoclinic

Sorry, I misunderstood you. But yes, I did read your entire post. Your post said "I prefer to hire a proven commodity, someone who has a history of turning defenses around that were previously poorish or mediocre. But the Patriots need to get themselves play-makers on defense first." So I assumed you were saying just go get the players and then worry about the coordinator.

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KontradictioN

As long as we keep hiring from within and winning with the coordinators we have, that will never happen. Unfortunately, even though BB products have not won a Super Bowl or National Championship to date, people will still pick our coordinators clean in an effort to find "the next Belichick".

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1.) The team with Weis/Crennel didn't win the Super Bowl every year

2.) McDaniels was a better OC than Weis

3.) The 2005 team had a starting ILB have a stroke in the offseason and had the other starting ILB retire in training camp. It had Duane Starks starting at corner for about half the season. It still went into the playoffs and won a game before losing on the road in Denver.

4.) The 2006 team had its top receiver hold out to the point where he had to be traded away. That team still made it to the AFCCG before collapsing at least partly to an illness which struck much of the defense and resulted in Alexander trying to cover Colts tight ends when he didn't even belong on the field.

5.) The 2007 team went 18-0 before losing the Super Bowl

6.) The 2008 team became the first team to win 11 games and not make the playoffs under the latest format of 12 teams and 8 divisions.

7.) 10/17, 7/2, 1/4, 8/8.... those are the offensive and defensive scoring rankings of the Patriots from 2005-2008. Even ignoring 2000, you get the following from Rac/Weis: 6/6, 10/17, 12/1. 4/2. It's not as if either the offense or the defense has been crushed in this category by its earlier incarnation.

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Snake Eyes

Deus Irae,

I'm trying to figure out what your point is, mine is that getting and keeping good coordinators is very important, do you disagree?

Right now we are suffering for lack of good coordinators and I think effots should be made to fix this, I would have taken Nolan in a heartbeat but now an arch rival has him, I don't think this is a good thing.

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Deus Irae

You made a lousy argument with the Weis/Crennel stuff. Very few teams keep the OC and DC for long periods of time, as turnover is the norm in the league. It certainly didn't hurt the Patriots to change from Weis to McDaniels and, as I noted, Pees did a comparable job overall with the scoring defense to Crennel, and he did so with less talent.

As for what the team is suffering from, I'd assert that coordinator issues are fairly low on the "problems" totem pole.

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Snake Eyes

First off, I never said Weis/RAC were God's gift to coordinating, only that they were much better than what we have now, McDaniels was ok but he's also gone. I'm saying we a lot better than what we have now.

But that's ok, I'm sure they won't hire anyone worth a damn and next year's season will be worse than this one.

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