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***MoLewisrocks*** · 01-01-2010, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Triggerfish

I think you might be giving McDaniel's too much credit here. Josh "got his" too. That club was in total disarray coming into this season, after HE came in and ran Cutler outta town. And although I agree that Cutler could have handled it better, I'd have been pissed too if I were in his shoes, with the way McDaniels handled everything. Let's call a spade a spade though. There was no way in hell McDaniels was keeping Marshall sidelined long. He needed some redemption from the organization and the fans too, and he knew that likely wasn't possible without his star WR. This isn't a case of a coach being all sweet and charitable and letting the poor troubled player have another shot. It was just as much about saving his own ***** and therefore benefited him just as much (if not more) than Marshall. This whole thing between those two this season seems like a couple of schoolyard bullies who like to get their way, having a "stand-off" at the monkey bars at recess. Regardless, both sides will likely get their way in the end. McDaniels will be rid of his "nuisance" player, and Marshall will get out of Denver and get paid. It's such a happy ending, I'm tearing up a little.

You know nothing about Josh or Marshall for that matter because you're a Steeler troll who is apparently here because there is nothing much to say about your reiging champs this season beyond "FORE". That's because your own HC had his issues with his team this season and he didn't get them worked out sufficiently because when he bellowed nobody listened and instead guys started pointing fingers. Josh was wise to get rid of Cutler. He cannot play in this system, and perhaps not in any to the tune of a franchise deal. He tried to salvage Marshall by showing him how it could be. Thing is at his heart Marshall is a self-absorbed little prick and most teams are better off without them regardless of talent. If a guy won't put in the effort to get on the field for whatever reason when your season is on the line, he is cheating his teamates of their collective effort. That is why a guy like Wilfork won't play those games over injuries or his contract. He's a man and he signed his name on a piece of paper and more importantly he told his teamates they could count on him win or lose when their livlihoods and careers are on the line same as his. It's a team game and at the end of the day well coached, teams comprised largely of determined and selfless players win championships, not individuals irrespective of talent who play as they want or when it suits them.

***Deus Irae*** · 01-01-2010, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by MoLewisrocks

You know nothing about Josh or Marshall for that matter because you're a Steeler troll who is apparently here because there is nothing much to say about your reiging champs this season beyond "FORE". That's because your own HC had his issues with his team this season and he didn't get them worked out sufficiently because when he bellowed nobody listened and instead guys started pointing fingers. Josh was wise to get rid of Cutler. He cannot play in this system, and perhaps not in any to the tune of a franchise deal. He tried to salvage Marshall by showing him how it could be. Thing is at his heart Marshall is a self-absorbed little prick and most teams are better off without them regardless of talent. If a guy won't put in the effort to get on the field for whatever reason when your season is on the line, he is cheating his teamates of their collective effort. That is why a guy like Wilfork won't play those games over injuries or his contract. He's a man and he signed his name on a piece of paper and more importantly he told his teamates they could count on him win or lose when their livlihoods and careers are on the line same as his. It's a team game and at the end of the day well coached, teams comprised largely of determined and selfless players win championships, not individuals irrespective of talent who play as they want or when it suits them.

Trigger's been a good poster, Mo.......

***Deus Irae*** · 01-01-2010, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Triggerfish

I don't think it's fair to compare Cutler with Denver to Cutler in his first season with Chicago. I mean, obviously he hasn't had a great year, but he has a lot less support around him in that system. I mean, Hester is his #1. Enough said. (this doesn't even mention their crappy O-line and lack of a running game, etc.) Like I said, I don't think either of them handled the situation well, but I certainly can't blame Cutler for being pissed given the circumstances. He had a good year, and suddenly his new coach is trying to bring in a backup QB from his old team?? That wouldn't sit well with me either.

I'm also not saying that Marshall isn't a bit of a headcase, but I think of alot of it comes down to he and McDaniels just simply don't like each other. call it a personality conflict or whatever, but it seems that they just butt heads. I'm sure the bitterness of not getting the deal he wanted isn't helping that relationship either (whether or not he deserved it).

Cutler wanted out before McDaniels got there, because Shanahan got the axe. He then lost his mind when McDaniels dared to fire the O.C. from the Shanahan regime. He's also a guy who says "screw the game plan" and starts winging the ball around. As people here who remember that being one of the gripes about Bledsoe can tell you, that doesn't go over well in the Belichick coaching tree.

As for Marshall, his beef isn't even with McDaniels. He's got a two-pronged complaint: a medical screw up about his hip from last year, under Shanahan, and his contract. He's just a head case, as his multitude of legal and other issues serve to demonstrate.

Triggerfish · 01-01-2010, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Deus Irae

Cutler wanted out before McDaniels got there, because Shanahan got the axe. He then lost his mind when McDaniels dared to fire the O.C. from the Shanahan regime. He's also a guy who says "screw the game plan" and starts winging the ball around. As people here who remember that being one of the gripes about Bledsoe can tell you, that doesn't go over well in the Belichick coaching tree.

As for Marshall, his beef isn't even with McDaniels. He's got a two-pronged complaint: a medical screw up about his hip from last year, under Shanahan, and his contract. He's just a head case, as his multitude of legal and other issues serve to demonstrate.

I can respect that opinion. I still think there's more to the Marshall/McDaniels drama than the things you've mentioned. Probably stuff that only the guys in the locker room really know. But hey...that's just my opinion.

RayClay · 01-01-2010, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by condon84

No such thing in the NFL. It's all about wins and losses.

It's hard to argue with a 2-7 finish and not playing in the playoff deciding game. That's some good chemistry there, all right.

Triggerfish · 01-01-2010, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by MoLewisrocks

You know nothing about Josh or Marshall for that matter because you're a Steeler troll who is apparently here because there is nothing much to say about your reiging champs this season beyond "FORE". That's because your own HC had his issues with his team this season and he didn't get them worked out sufficiently because when he bellowed nobody listened and instead guys started pointing fingers. Josh was wise to get rid of Cutler. He cannot play in this system, and perhaps not in any to the tune of a franchise deal. He tried to salvage Marshall by showing him how it could be. Thing is at his heart Marshall is a self-absorbed little prick and most teams are better off without them regardless of talent. If a guy won't put in the effort to get on the field for whatever reason when your season is on the line, he is cheating his teamates of their collective effort. That is why a guy like Wilfork won't play those games over injuries or his contract. He's a man and he signed his name on a piece of paper and more importantly he told his teamates they could count on him win or lose when their livlihoods and careers are on the line same as his. It's a team game and at the end of the day well coached, teams comprised largely of determined and selfless players win championships, not individuals irrespective of talent who play as they want or when it suits them.

Can't say if I agree or disagree....you lost me at the first sentence. I may be a lot of things, but a troll isn't one of them. But whatever, think what you want.

But for the record...ignore the "Don't feed the troll" signs. I'd love a peanut butter/fluff sandwich, which I'm now kinda hungry for.

Thanks for the hospitality!

***MaxVonDoom*** · 01-01-2010, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Terry Glenn is a cowgirl

Something something career receptions for a game...

something something who cares it was one game

***MaxVonDoom*** · 01-01-2010, 08:43 PM

Down with fist pumping Josh mcdouche

***Jangles*** · 01-01-2010, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by MaxVonDoom

something something who cares it was one game

2 actually because he broke his own record

so now we have to care

JMarr · 01-01-2010, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by MoLewisrocks

Thing is at his heart Marshall is a self-absorbed little prick and most teams are better off without them regardless of talent.

Wrong. Marshall saved McDaniel's ***** this year. The guy has been other-worldly this season and the Broncos wouldn't even be in the playoff discussion without him IMO. Not giving him the Cutler treatment must have been a bitter pill for Josh to swallow, but ultimately he made the right decision (or was forced to). Now that it's all falling apart on Josh, somebody (Marshall) has to be the scapegoat. What a gutsy move by the boy coach.