oldskool138

I hope that dig was intended.

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reflexblue

As someone that can't spel i always appreciate others who can't Ither. That being said its P-L-A-N-E not PLAIN.... I think.

patsfaninpittsburgh

Yeah, I know. That also went over their head until a Dolphins fan pointed it out.

See how much smarter our fan base is!!!!!!!!

PatsFanSince74

Glad someone got it.

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PatsFanSince74

Good point.

Also, I said out here a while ago that Cryan seems to have the same lack of personal discipline that characterized his father's behavior when he moved out of the DC role. Taken by itself, his weight isn't the issue there, but when you add the emotional lack of control and some of his outbursts, the whole package suggests that we're going to be watching a slow-motion train wreck (pun intended) over the next couple of seasons. Just a matter of time before he gets into a shoving match with a player or coach on the sidelines.

To my mind, taken together, dumb penalties like the Jests made on the last drive Sunday along with lapses on special teams in their Miami game and again against Atlanta become symptoms of a team that is coaching and playing without discipline. Add to that some comments made by Jets players this week and a QB who is still throwing the ball up like a playground b-ball and you can start to wonder what really goes on in that locker room.

As a Pats fan this all warms my heart at this holiday season. It looks like the Jets are going to enter another three to five year period of disarray before they dump Ryan and/or start to look for Sanchez' successor. The great thing is that Sanchez is just good enough to be a starter in the NFL who will have occasional success but not good enough to take a team deep into the playoffs.

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Tunescribe

As bad as it is for them, Lions fans have it worse. It's hard to imagine being a big fan of NFL football and living in Detroit or New Jersey. I ask myself how life would be rooting for a team like that, and the only answer I come up with is you can't be too wrapped up in it or you'd literally go nuts. A certain degree of detachment would be required to preserve your sanity. It's not like you can look back on the "good old days" with fondness to carry you through lean times, because there aren't any. Fireman Ed, for example, hasn't aged well at all. He's slowly devolved over the years into an angry-looking elf, like Golum from Lord of the Rings.

PatsFanSince74

Interesting comment (though there are some lovely places to live in New Jersey--suburban, country and shoreline) about Fireman Ed. He really is kind of an iconic symbol of what the Jets were and have become.

Firemen, especially in the NY area after 911, are noble figures and deservedly so. The Jets as a franchise played a noble role in the development of the modern NFL, a role that any serious fan of the league has to acknowledge. So, the Fireman is a symbol of what the Jets were.

Ed himself, though, is constantly reprising the same old act and it's really getting tired. He looks, as you suggest, grouchy and like someone you wouldn't want to go up to if you were at the game (as a Jets fan even) and say hi or introduce your kid to him (if anyone in their right mind brings a kid to a Jets game in the Meadowlands). A symbol of what has happened since the days of Weeb Ewbank and Joe Willie.

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Rob0729

Yah know, all this piling on the Jets, but they are really about where I expected them to be before the season started. I figured they would be a 6-8 win team. I think if the Colts and Bengals play for real, the Jets will probably be in the dead center with 7 wins.

Although Sanchez is far worse in his decision making than I expected, I did expect the guy to be a mediocre QB his rookie season. I now have questions whether he is ever going to be an above average or better NFL QB, but I always expected him to struggle his rookie season even if he is destined to be an elite QB. The Matt Ryans, Ben Roethlisbergers, and Joe Flaccos of the world who make immediate impacts their rookie season are rare.

The one thing the Jets gotta worry about is that they are starting to get old at some key positions. Thomas Jones is going to be 32 next season and, as we saw with Corey Dillon, a RB can go for competiting for the rushing title one season and an average to mediocre RB the next in his early 30s. Faneca is old and showing signs of wearing down. Kris Jenkins is probably done. Shawn Ellis, their leading sacker and best d-lineman, is going to be 33 next season. So is Damien Woody. Sione Pouha, Marques Douglas, Bryan Thomas, and Marques Douglas are all on the wrong side of 30. They could or most likely will lose Brylon Edwards, Lito Sheppard, Kerry Rhodes, Tony Richardson, Larry Izzo, Jay Feeley, and Leon Washington after this season (although a few of those are not big losses at all). They may already be close to a rebuilding stage. It would be funny if they don't go anywhere next year either and 2011 becomes a rebuilding year after they spent so much to rebuild in 2008 and 2009.

PatsFanSince74

You put your finger on two big problems for the Jets. One, the Jets are in a "win now" mode with an aging team at key positions and a lot of rebuilding ahead.

Two, they made a major strategic decision to draft Sanchez in the first place (13 NCAA starts and a history of injuries) and then they made a major tactical decision to give him this season to develop, hoping for the upside that he would prove to be a Joe Flacco with a great first year but banking on what they thought was the almost certain outcome that he was a guy who would steadily improve into a premium QB.

Their issue now is that they are still an aging team that is one year older but Sanchez, if anything, regressed as the year went on (as Rich Cimini said in those exact words in today's NYDaily News). He has not only shown nothing more than average to good technical skills but more importantly he has shown bad judgment and immaturity, suggesting that he is at best a multi-year project and at worst a waste of a First Rounder and several trades who will also destroy three to five seasons before they know for sure.

Awww. It breaks my heart!

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Rob0729

I know when Sanchez won the Offensive Rookie of the Year title in week 2 they talked about how Pete Carroll saying that Sanchez wasn't ready for the NFL was just a test to see if he was emotionally ready for the NFL and he passed with flying colors, but it is really clear that he wasn't ready for the NFL. He does show flashes of brilliance, but he is show a lot of what made a lot of other first round QBs busts. He doesn't see the field the way he should (could be his height or his football intelligence or both). He makes poor decisions. He gets flustered in key situations.

Sanchez has a lot to improve to become a competent starting QB who won't make mistakes in key situations. It is doubtful that will happen overnight. The question is whether the Jets will have to rebuild before he gets it together, if he ever gets it together.

How bad will it be for the Jets in the future if in fact they blew two top 6 picks in consecutive years. It is safe to call Gholston a major bust. It is far, far too early to label Sanchez that, but he is heading in that direction.