Cartwright

Found this on a Colts board...thought it was interesting:

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"It's funny....according to Pats fans , we haven't played anybody , therefor they are better than the Colts. FTR- Pats have beaten Buffalo at home, Balt at home, Atlanta at home, Tenn at home and Tampa in London and lost to a solid Denver team and average Jets team.

While i agree , the Colts need to be tested more(Arizona seems to be very good team and we crushed them on their field in primetime) ,there is no way based on the Pats schedule that they have any room to talk about not beating anybody. Not to mention, they haven't won on the road yet.

Sometimes it makes you wonder if fans ever think about their own team before discrediting other teams. I know all teams fans do it, but for some crazy reason i thought Pats fans were smarter than that. Really , we are not talking Jags fans here or are we........................................:-)

Teams records The Colts beat 11-26 -............ 423 winning %
Teams records the Pats beat 10-22 -.......... 454 winning %:"




Personally- both team (Colts and Pats) are so good on the road that I don't think the Home V. Road games to date make much difference. I suppose it IS nice that 4 of the 6 wins for the Colts have been road wins...but in the end, I'm not so sure it matters.

We do have a difficult stretch coming up (at least it appears) with Houston/Pats/Ravens/Houston....mix in Denver and Jets toward the end of year, and the back half of the schedule is certainly more of a challenge. Good thing they are off to such a terrific start. Hope teams like Denver, Pitt, and the Pats keep close, so that the Colts are forced to play week 15 and 16. Will be interesting (if it comes to a decision) how Caldwell will handle the last game of year in Buffalo.

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Patriot_in_NY

First off, the math is way off.

Pats opponents - 20-24 (.454 Winning percentage)
Colts opponents - 11-26 (.314 Winning percentage)

So it's clear that so far, the Pats have overall played a more difficult slate of opponents (and it's not even close enough to debate).

That said, The argument is a reasonable one to make. They have won all their games (as they should have), and we dropped 2 (one to a very good Denver, which is the best opponent by far either team has faced, and another to an inconsistent team that was playing their super bowl ). Substitute a Chicago, San Fran, Jax team for our Denver game chances are better then even we would have won that game (even how we played that day).

I don't think either team can really lay claim to say the evidence supports 1 team being "clearly better" then the other. OTOH, it's not a lie to say the Indy has had a cheeseball schedule. Ours has been much harder, but certainly not "killer hard" either, plus we lost a couple of them. Kinda of a toss up there.

Statistically, both teams are about even in PF and PA against opponents, and given the strength of schedule, I'd say that favors NE over the stretch, plus against real crappy 0-fer teams, we are 2-0 (94-7 points) and they are 2-0 (73-15) and Peyton playing in all 8 quarters of those games and Brady played in 6 (more or less)........ so again, I'd say that certainly favors NE

But then again, I'm a homer, so you'd expect me to say that.

Dino 6 Rings

I actually talked a few Steelers fans down after pointing out our 4 wins were over Cleveland, Detroit, Tennessee and San Diego prior to beating the Vikings. Plus 2 road losses are not good to Chicago and Cincy.

The Vikings win is a big win over a very good team so now we have some breathing room and good idea of our team, plus Denver is up next. Good competition.

Cartwright

Ahhh...I missed it too, but the record is for the teams that the PATS have defeated...does NOT include the games in which the Pats lost. I guess the point is, Colts have beaten 6 scrubs, the Pats have beaten 4 scrubs...

In any event, it is clear that the SOS so far favors the Pats...but not by a large margin. sagarin has PATS at 19 on SOS, Colts at 28.

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PatriotWarrior

Pats beat Atlanta and Baltimore. Atlanta was 2-0 at the time when they played them. Baltimore was 3-0 when the Pats won their game. Baltimore almost came back against a very good Minnesota team on the road. I don't think Atlanta and Baltimore are scrum teams.

KontradictioN

The Pats opened their schedule against five straight undefeated teams (four if you don't count Buffalo). What the hell have the Colts gone up against so far? The Cardinals? BWAHAHAHA! We blew the Cardinals out last year (the year they went to the Super Bowl) with MATT CASSEL as our QB. What's so special about the Colts beating the Cardinals?

Guarantee you that, if the Colts opened up against our first five opponents, they would have at least one loss right now.

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This is wrong on so many levels...seriously...opened against 5 unbeaten teams? Really?? Bills did an excellent job going into game 1 undefeated..KUDOS..nice comeback...idiot McKelvin...dumber than SAGE last year, at least Sage was trying to make a play, get a first, keep the clock running...Leodis was just plain moronic. OK, game 2, Jets were 1-0..nice win over the Texans...who appear to be much improved over week 1. Game 3, Falcons come in 2-0, against a phins team that gives folks fits, but are still 2-4..and lets add that nice win over the inept Panthers. The Ravens had wins over the hapless Browns and Chiefs...nice road win against SD, great play by Lewis, but the Chargers don't look like they are a playoff threat..still alot of talent, but injuries and a washed up Merriman have them hurting. OK- The donks are a decent team....but as stated before, they don't count in the "records of the teams the Pats beat", because you didn't beat them. Total schedule..yes, Pats has been more difficult to be sure...our schedule has been pretty lame to start...Jags, Cards, Hawks and Titans were all targeted to be better than they have displayed this season. But...on the road, our ***** little Dome team took all that 85 degree heat in Miami could offer, we held the ball for 15 minutes, and we won. On a short week, went out to the defending NFC champs and bottled them up. An impressive two week stretch. Our test is coming in the next 4-5 weeks...we'll see where we are then. As far as the guarantee of a loss against your 5? Who knows, but the Colts have the best road record since '02, and have always put together stretches of quality wins. We've gone into Denver with a weak run D and took care of them (2-3 years ago), we've had the Ravens number as well. But again, who knows...interesting topic for debate....bet your weren't treating Matt Cassell that way last season when he was wining games against the NUMBER ONE WEAKEST SCHEDULE ever

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KontradictioN

Add the Pats total schedule and the Colts total schedule with the records of the teams SO FAR this season, and the Pats come out on top. There is no doubt whatsoever that our schedule is harder. That Falcons team is now 4-2 and behind only the Saints in their division and that Ravens team almost took out an undefeated Vikings team that gave the world champions fits in their own house. By the way, that Denver team is still 6-0. I did you the favor of taking the Bills out in my first post since they were technically undefeated, but shouldn't have been considered that way.

Our opening schedule has been absolutely, positively, 100% harder than the Colts' opening schedule was. If you want to make an argument for the past two weeks then you can have it. The Colts have had the harder schedule at that point. However, you would then have to look ahead to November. The Pats November schedule is MURDEROUS, while the Colts only have one really hard game (which is, ironically, against the Pats). Enjoy your cupcake schedule. God knows the Pats enjoyed theirs last year.

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workhorse

The Colts have played three primetime games on the road, including a Monday night @ Miami followed by @ Arizona the next Sunday. They have only played 2 home games.

Who has New England beat?
Atlanta? Who is their best win against? SF or Chicago???
Baltimore? Losers of 3 in a row and they beat KC, SD, and Cleveland.

Don't give my this "last year" story. Everyone knows that there are only a handful of teams that are the same year in and year out.

Which team is it that you think would have been a guaranteed loss for the Colts?

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KontradictioN

Denver FTW. Do you honestly believe the Colts have a harder schedule than the Pats do? Take all the teams you play against, add up the current wins and losses, and then do the same for the Pats. The Pats pretty clearly have the harder SOS. The hardest team you've played against so far is Arizona, a team that would get beat by any of Baltimore (who nearly took out undefeated Minnesota... in Minny), Atlanta (who is a pretty good team), and Denver (who is 6-0).

By the way, you guys should have lost to Miami. You got lucky that their secondary is the closest thing to a strainer and allowed you 20 points in a shade over one quarter of play. And, by the way, that doesn't say anything about how good the Colts are. It says everything about just how BAD Miami's secondary is.

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