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View Poll Results: The non-call on the last 4th down play was....
The Right call....let the players play 35 26.92%
The Wrong call...he was held after five yards...you have to call that 95 73.08%
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Old 02-04-2013, 04:35 AM   #31
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I think it has to be called but I've always said if a referee is going to suck, they should at least suck consistently for both teams.

There was a play n a deep ball to Smth where there was blatant contact past five yards and it wasn't called. So you can say it's only fair that that play got the same treatment. Personally, Super Bowl or no Super Bowl, both the calls should have been made.

Culliver's PI is incomparable. That was so obvious that had to get called.

Disappointed it wasn't called bt they were consistent with their calls all game. Also, on review, it looks like Ed Reed timed his blitz to perfection on that two pointer.

You can try and blame the refs all you like. The play calling lost them the game. Three passes? Three? Don't run the clock down? Poor coaching decisions and a team which at times looked far from mental prepared for this game.

Saying that, the best QB on the field didnt get his ring. Kaepernick made far better throws. When a team out gains someone by 100+ yards, has a QB throw for over 300, has one 100 yard usher and two 100 yard receivers, you don't expect them to lose a game. They threw it away. Ravens got an element of luck.
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Old 02-04-2013, 05:03 AM   #32
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No way in hell do I want a refs to give the 49ers a victory, remember, they get a whole set of downs and they can milk the clock, on a questionable call. I saw contact on both players and it wasn't much, and those no calls happen all the time.

The throw was crap, he barely got it off. If the 49ers wanted to score they should have jammed the ball inside. You don't win by needing the refs. You win in spite of the refs.

This is why the Pats are crap lately. They do gimmick plays, they whine about one or two plays (wellker drops) and they fail to see the bigger picture. The game is, ultimately, won by the team most hungry to win. Tonight, and against the pats, the ravens were more hungry. The pats have no hunger, only gimmick strategy.
Weird that a Ravns fan would visit a Pats board while celebrating a SB.
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Old 02-04-2013, 05:26 AM   #33
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No question it was holding. None whatsoever. Two hands on the receiver, both hands grabbing him. You can see the shirt getting yanked as the receiver tries to pull away. As others have mentioned, if that was McCourty or Arrington on coverage, absolutely 100% certain that a flag is thrown.

That said, I don't feel bad for the 49ers. On their last defensive play against Atlanta in the NFCCG, their LB committed such blatant pass interference and holding that the Falcon WR couldn't even lift his arms to try to catch the pass. Would have been a first down inside the 5-yard line with enough time for a couple of shots in the end zone at least.

So they benefitted hugely from a ref swallowing the whistle just to get to the SB. Well, the worm turned in the SB itself for them. Such is life.
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The Cary Williams non ejection was worse. He shoved a ref, there is no subjectivity, you shove a ref, you're ejected.
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I think it has to be called but I've always said if a referee is going to suck, they should at least suck consistently for both teams.

There was a play n a deep ball to Smth where there was blatant contact past five yards and it wasn't called. So you can say it's only fair that that play got the same treatment. Personally, Super Bowl or no Super Bowl, both the calls should have been made.

Culliver's PI is incomparable. That was so obvious that had to get called.

Disappointed it wasn't called bt they were consistent with their calls all game. Also, on review, it looks like Ed Reed timed his blitz to perfection on that two pointer.

You can try and blame the refs all you like. The play calling lost them the game. Three passes? Three? Don't run the clock down? Poor coaching decisions and a team which at times looked far from mental prepared for this game.

Saying that, the best QB on the field didnt get his ring. Kaepernick made far better throws. When a team out gains someone by 100+ yards, has a QB throw for over 300, has one 100 yard usher and two 100 yard receivers, you don't expect them to lose a game. They threw it away. Ravens got an element of luck.
I almost totally agree with your take except that the Culliver PI was any more obvious than the hold in the end zone. Both were pretty blatant and if you were going to call it that way then the earlier PI shouldn't have been called. If that happened Ravens don't get that field goal to make it 5 points and then who knows.
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Crabtree made there would be no call by pushing off on the defenders helmet. Torrey smith was not pushing off, so the refs threw the flag.

That's the way mutual contact works and people need to stop questioning the refs based on who they would like to see win. Nobody complained when the miners benefitted by a similar non call at the same critical moment when they were playing the falcons.
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Crabtree made there would be no call by pushing off on the defenders helmet. Torrey smith was not pushing off, so the refs threw the flag.

That's the way mutual contact works and people need to stop questioning the refs based on who they would like to see win. Nobody complained when the miners benefitted by a similar non call at the same critical moment when they were playing the falcons.
My economic interest was solidly on the Ravens side and my wallet is a good deal fatter today.

And I agree that the Niners benefited tremendously from another bad call in the Falcons game. Still, that was a hold, and if you can't see it in the name objectivity, I don't know what to say.

That the receiver initiated contact doesn't give the defender a free pass to hold. Where does it say that in the rule book? Hey, if it does and I'm just missing it, I will admit it. But I don't think it does.
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My economic interest was solidly on the Ravens side and my wallet is a good deal fatter today.

And I agree that the Niners benefited tremendously from another bad call in the Falcons game. Still, that was a hold, and if you can't see it in the name objectivity, I don't know what to say.

That the receiver initiated contact doesn't give the defender a free pass to hold. Where does it say that in the rule book? Hey, if it does and I'm just missing it, I will admit it. But I don't think it does.
if the offensive player initiated contact by pushing off, doesn't that make it offensive pass interference?

you can throw flags on every pass play......there is always contact beyond the 5 yards.....just like there's holding along the line virtually every down.

I've seen worse no-calls before.....

I don't care either way, I just don't think it was a bad no-call......would I have complained if they threw the flag? nope.......but there's no line in the sand where one turns into the other......crabtree made contact also which is likely the reason there was no flag thrown......you can't only look at it as what the defensive player did to the offensive player.
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It was rather obviously a violation, I'm pretty sure even a Ravens fan would admit that. But there was 0% chance of it being called in that specific game situation, and even a Niners fan would have to admit that.
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If your not gonna make that call, then you can't make the one they made when Torrey Smith got held on 3rd down.

Then again, early on they didn't make a call against SF on a deep throw down the right sideline to Smith that could of been a TD.

But thats how it typically goes in big games, Refs swallow their whistles.
Why does it seem like the officials swallow their whistles in favor of teams I cannot stand when there are sheep stations on the line?
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